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No, but there were people who got colour TV's and cranked up the colour saturation to try and make the most of it. It's the same with widescreen, the attitude for some is 'I've paid for widescreen, the picture will fill the screen'
I suspect most people don't realise that there is a difference between widescreen and non widescreen content, just that their TV is a different shape to how it used to be. Most just want the biggest picture on the biggest screen
I don't understand the desire to try and stretch 4:3 material to fit widescreen. People understand that some programmes weren't shot in widescreen. We don't retrospectively colour in every black and white film to show on colour TV, so why do we need to stretch 4:3 shows to 16:9?
No, but there were people who got colour TV's and cranked up the colour saturation to try and make the most of it. It's the same with widescreen, the attitude for some is 'I've paid for widescreen, the picture will fill the screen'
I suspect most people don't realise that there is a difference between widescreen and non widescreen content, just that their TV is a different shape to how it used to be. Most just want the biggest picture on the biggest screen
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 10 January 2014 11:13am
TL
Three Lefts Do
No, but there were people who got colour TV's and cranked up the colour saturation to try and make the most of it. It's the same with widescreen, the attitude for some is 'I've paid for widescreen, the picture will fill the screen'
I suspect most people don't realise that there is a difference between widescreen and non widescreen content, just that their TV is a different shape to how it used to be. Most just want the biggest picture on the biggest screen
I suspect most people don't realise that there is a difference between widescreen and non widescreen content, just that their TV is a different shape to how it used to be. Most just want the biggest picture on the biggest screen
Indeed. I find it utterly exasperating that there are people in this world whose ability to interpret the visual information received by their eyes is such that they don't even notice when they're looking at essentially this! If they're that unobservant, they might as well have been struck blind.
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Sadly I know people who cant even tell the difference between HD and SD, which makes you wonder why they pay Sky an extra tenner a month.
They're probably connecting their HD Sky box to their HD screen via SCART… (Believe it or not this is not uncommon…)
noggin
Founding member
See also winding the detail / sharpness control to max to "improve" HD pictures.
Sadly I know people who cant even tell the difference between HD and SD, which makes you wonder why they pay Sky an extra tenner a month.
They're probably connecting their HD Sky box to their HD screen via SCART… (Believe it or not this is not uncommon…)
MA
They're probably connecting their HD Sky box to their HD screen via SCART⦠(Believe it or not this is not uncommon)
Yes, I think the BBC claimed it was 30 to 40% of Sky HD box owners at one stage !?
However, others who are simply switching between SD and HD DTT channels on a self contained TV set cannot see any difference, even my wife goes 'meh' when I find her watching an SD version, and I switch over to HD.
They're probably connecting their HD Sky box to their HD screen via SCART⦠(Believe it or not this is not uncommon)
Yes, I think the BBC claimed it was 30 to 40% of Sky HD box owners at one stage !?
However, others who are simply switching between SD and HD DTT channels on a self contained TV set cannot see any difference, even my wife goes 'meh' when I find her watching an SD version, and I switch over to HD.
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harshy
Founding member
Yeah i guess if they switch from a 720x576 SD source to 1920x1080 the difference is not that obvious to some people going from 544x576 to 1920x1080 however and I can see the difference very clearly, certainly in my household they just cant remember the HD equivalent, like for example ITV HD is on ch178 on Sky but my family members will default to 103, as they always remember it as the third channel no matter what system is put in front of them. 
ST
My old non-HD widescreen CRT TV (now in the bedroom) always picks up the 3:4 flag from the Sky+HD box on SD channels, but my 3 year old HDTV (in the lounge) doesn't - although it shows correctly on HD channels.
It seems that TVs connected through HDMI can't see the flag, whereas those connected by SCART can.
Star Trek Voyager on Syfy shown in 16:9 stretchyvision. SyfyHD showing it pillarboxed.
My old non-HD widescreen CRT TV (now in the bedroom) always picks up the 3:4 flag from the Sky+HD box on SD channels, but my 3 year old HDTV (in the lounge) doesn't - although it shows correctly on HD channels.
It seems that TVs connected through HDMI can't see the flag, whereas those connected by SCART can.
MA
My old non-HD widescreen CRT TV (now in the bedroom) always picks up the 3:4 flag from the Sky+HD box on SD channels, but my 3 year old HDTV (in the lounge) doesn't - although it shows correctly on HD channels.
It seems that TVs connected through HDMI can't see the flag, whereas those connected by SCART can.
I'm not sure HDMI supports WSS at all ? My Freesat box deals with 4:3 flagged transmissions by pillarboxing
them to a 16:9 raster, (in other words 12P16) and delivering that over HDMI.
Star Trek Voyager on Syfy shown in 16:9 stretchyvision. SyfyHD showing it pillarboxed.
My old non-HD widescreen CRT TV (now in the bedroom) always picks up the 3:4 flag from the Sky+HD box on SD channels, but my 3 year old HDTV (in the lounge) doesn't - although it shows correctly on HD channels.
It seems that TVs connected through HDMI can't see the flag, whereas those connected by SCART can.
I'm not sure HDMI supports WSS at all ? My Freesat box deals with 4:3 flagged transmissions by pillarboxing
them to a 16:9 raster, (in other words 12P16) and delivering that over HDMI.
OV
HDMI does for 576i/p signals, which the Sky boxes do correctly signal.
The Freesat box is likely following the AFD (which Sky boxes don't support), which I imagine is signalling for 12P16 for 16:9/HD displays.
'm not sure HDMI supports WSS at all ? My Freesat box deals with 4:3 flagged transmissions by pillarboxing
them to a 16:9 raster, (in other words 12P16) and delivering that over HDMI.
them to a 16:9 raster, (in other words 12P16) and delivering that over HDMI.
HDMI does for 576i/p signals, which the Sky boxes do correctly signal.
The Freesat box is likely following the AFD (which Sky boxes don't support), which I imagine is signalling for 12P16 for 16:9/HD displays.
DB
I'm guilty of doing that (until I realise its not HD!) It's rather annoying how some channels haven't been swapped over yet. I know having a multitude of HD regional versions on DSat is bandwidth hogging, but nothing is more annoying trying to find a HD version through the EPG, until most of the swaps happen, then this will keep happening.
HD equivalent, like for example ITV HD is on ch178 on Sky but my family members will default to 103, as they always remember it as the third channel no matter what system is put in front of them.
I'm guilty of doing that (until I realise its not HD!) It's rather annoying how some channels haven't been swapped over yet. I know having a multitude of HD regional versions on DSat is bandwidth hogging, but nothing is more annoying trying to find a HD version through the EPG, until most of the swaps happen, then this will keep happening.