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Steve Williams
However what isn't done well in that programme, 'People Today' is that after the newsflash they continue as if nothings happened, just a brief mention in the phone room. At the end of that part at 10 they finish by saying they'll be back after the news and Children's BBC, only for Judi to appear and throw to 'rolling' news coverage which looks like it continues for the rest of the morning. As it's name suggests it's remit was about people and issues and unlike programmes like This Morning, Open Air, Ann and Nick didn't have the ability to do reactive newsy stuff. Looks like it came back in the autumn of 1991 in a much shorter form and with different presenters

It was a bit different a few years later when the death of John Smith was announced as a newsflash during Anne and Nick, they were lucky to have a resident doctor in the studio at the time and so could have an informed discussion about heart attacks. He'd also been a guest in the programme so they had that interview to play.

Incidently Daytime UK was all co-ordinated and anchored Birmingham, it was axed as a name in 1991 but I remember seeing a phone number for it popping up on a schedule or similar in Presentation about 10 years later. I assume that the daytime schedule was still managed in Pebble Mill even though nothing came from there


When Anne and Nick launched, one of the things they talked up was the fact that as Anne and Nick were both journalists they would be able to deal with breaking news, hence how it carried on when John Smith died, though not particularly impressively, just repeating that interview over and over again and Anne saying what a nice man she thought he was.

Daytime BBC1 was in such a state in the early nineties, obviously they had got on air first with Open Air while ITV still had schools programmes but this This Morning launched and, as Richard Madeley said, "we just took away all their viewers". Hence the arrival of Daytime UK in 1990, which enveloped the whole morning, but was a right mess, the schedule is ridiculously complex - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1990-10-15#at-8.50 - and there are just weird junctions all over the place, the low point surely being "Before Noon" which is the most obvious filler. When they relaunched daytimes the next year, the editor said they did some interesting things but would sometimes just go around the country for the sake of it, and the low point was the eight minutes on boiling an egg.

So the following year came the revamp, but a lot of it stayed the same - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1991-10-14#at-9.05. The difference was the timings, with People Today now at 11.30 and presented by Miriam Stoppard. In the Radio Times feature to launch it, they say that the idea was to make it a bit harder-edged and more topical by getting in Miriam Stoppard and showing it later in the hope it would appeal to men tuning in for the news (which was over an hour later, but never mind). Of course, one of the problems with daytime BBC1 is that it always had to get off to a standing start because of the Party Conferences in September (which couldn't be shown on BBC2 because of schools programmes), so by the time the daytime line-up got underway in October, This Morning had already been on for several weeks.

Then in 1992, Manchester's long contribution to daytime came to an end, and Anne and Nick arrived, also from Pebble Mill - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1992-10-12#at-9.05 This was such a shameless rip-off, Richard Madeley said it was if the neighbours suddenly decorated their house the same way as you and driving the same car, and they even had little fake ad breaks as well. But they persisted with it for so long, and every time they'd do a revamp it would just be the same programmes again but in a different order or with a new theme tune. In 1994 they launched The Morning On BBC1, which was exactly the same line-up as before (albeit with Playbus now palmed off to BBC2), but Mo Dutta linked them all like the Broom Cupboard - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1994-10-17#at-9.05

This all carried on for an embarrassingly long time until, of all people, Polly Toynbee wrote a column in the Radio Times in early 1996 basically saying "BBC1 daytime is a load of crap, isn't it?", which for some reason became a national talking point for a week (Toynbee said she was even invited on Newsnight to discuss it with Anne Diamond) and everyone agreed and everything finally got axed, and then in the autumn there was a complete revamp where the idea of one big long programme covering the whole morning went for a burton and it was now just half hour and hour-long programmes like we have now. There was still quite a heavy Pebble Mill presence in the whole thing with The Really Useful Show live every morning, and quite a lot of programmes were made in Birmingham like Call My Bluff and Change That.

But of course Kilroy amazingly carried on until 2004, only ending when he had to, cough, go away, at which point the ratings went up. Who knows what might have happened had they got rid of him much earlier?
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bilky asko Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Not forgetting this of course...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMtxbPdvzg


It's worth mentioning that the title of that video (or description) shouldn't be taken at face value - it's nonsense.
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robertclark125 Central Reporting Scotland
One summer, the BBC had "Good morning Summer", hosted by Bill Hanrahan and someone else. That's how good it was, I can't remember the other persons name! But, what happened was, it was supposed to be a summer version of Good Morning, and with a different theme tune. It too was a complete load of crap! I tried to watch one edition, and after 5 minutes, couldn't.
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JamesWorldNews Central World News
One summer, the BBC had "Good morning Summer", hosted by Bill Hanrahan and someone else. That's how good it was, I can't remember the other persons name! But, what happened was, it was supposed to be a summer version of Good Morning, and with a different theme tune. It too was a complete load of crap! I tried to watch one edition, and after 5 minutes, couldn't.


Will Hanrahan. Alongside Sarah Greene and, occasionally, Jill Dando?
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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
To be fair if time served Westward and TSW continuity announcer Judi Spiers had cocked up linking into a newsflash it would be pretty remarkable!
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Inspector Sands

When Anne and Nick launched, one of the things they talked up was the fact that as Anne and Nick were both journalists they would be able to deal with breaking news, hence how it carried on when John Smith died, though not particularly impressively, just repeating that interview over and over again and Anne saying what a nice man she thought he was.

Yes they were caught in the hop but as I say one saving grace was that they had Dr Mark Porter there in the studio who could talk about what killed him - John Smith's history of heart issues was pretty well known

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Hence the arrival of Daytime UK in 1990, which enveloped the whole morning, but was a right mess, the schedule is ridiculously complex - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1990-10-15#at-8.50 - and there are just weird junctions all over the place, the low point surely being "Before Noon" which is the most obvious filler. When they relaunched daytimes the next year, the editor said they did some interesting things but would sometimes just go around the country for the sake of it, and the low point was the eight minutes on boiling an egg.

Indeed, this is how the line up was shown on air, but it was even more complicated than the listings - it started at 8:50 and the first 10 minutes is looking ahead to what's coming up, crossing to Birmingham and Kilroy

She'd also introduce Children's BBC with her own puppet, Maximum Monkey. So that's a presenter with a puppet appearing just to introduce a presenter with a puppet. Overly complicated
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The best thing that happened to BBC1 daytime is the removal of the hourly bulletins, I don't know why they were deemed so necessary, and of course ITV had frequent ones too
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Blake Connolly Founding member London London
Then in 1992, Manchester's long contribution to daytime came to an end, and Anne and Nick arrived, also from Pebble Mill - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1992-10-12#at-9.05 This was such a shameless rip-off, Richard Madeley said it was if the neighbours suddenly decorated their house the same way as you and driving the same car, and they even had little fake ad breaks as well.


In the publicity they were called "natural breaks" and included things like quick recipes and lifestyle tips, something I only remember because Lee and Herring would always mention it from week to week when introducing Peter Baynham's bit in Fist of Fun.
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commseng London London
..........The best thing that happened to BBC1 daytime is the removal of the hourly bulletins, I don't know why they were deemed so necessary, and of course ITV had frequent ones too

You can't have lived through John Birt's mission to explain and his News obsession?
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james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
For anyone interested for the ITV situation re Midweek Sport Special, the brilliant Newsflash documentary shows what happened that night from 26:10 onwards. Also worth it for John Suchet’s reaction for when they hand over to TV-am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnNOHfkNNR4


Though the clips there rather confusingly use the term "off air recording" to refer to footage of the presenters after they'd stopped broadcasting, as opposed to what it usually means.
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Otis Crump

When Anne and Nick launched, one of the things they talked up was the fact that as Anne and Nick were both journalists they would be able to deal with breaking news, hence how it carried on when John Smith died, though not particularly impressively, just repeating that interview over and over again and Anne saying what a nice man she thought he was.

Yes they were caught in the hop but as I say one saving grace was that they had Dr Mark Porter there in the studio who could talk about what killed him - John Smith's history of heart issues was pretty well known

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Hence the arrival of Daytime UK in 1990, which enveloped the whole morning, but was a right mess, the schedule is ridiculously complex - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1990-10-15#at-8.50 - and there are just weird junctions all over the place, the low point surely being "Before Noon" which is the most obvious filler. When they relaunched daytimes the next year, the editor said they did some interesting things but would sometimes just go around the country for the sake of it, and the low point was the eight minutes on boiling an egg.

Indeed, this is how the line up was shown on air, but it was even more complicated than the listings - it started at 8:50 and the first 10 minutes is looking ahead to what's coming up, crossing to Birmingham and Kilroy

She'd also introduce Children's BBC with her own puppet, Maximum Monkey. So that's a presenter with a puppet appearing just to introduce a presenter with a puppet. Overly complicated
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The best thing that happened to BBC1 daytime is the removal of the hourly bulletins, I don't know why they were deemed so necessary, and of course ITV had frequent ones too


Has Before Noon been dropped by this point, as it's not in the menu. (Did Scotland never take it anyway, opting out for Gaelic programmes? I vaguely recall they did actually show it one morning, just because it was an OB from St. Andrews.)
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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
The best thing that happened to BBC1 daytime is the removal of the hourly bulletins, I don't know why they were deemed so necessary, and of course ITV had frequent ones too


Axing "Five to Eleven" must come a close second?
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Steve Williams
The best thing that happened to BBC1 daytime is the removal of the hourly bulletins, I don't know why they were deemed so necessary, and of course ITV had frequent ones too


I remember when they had a mini-revamp of BBC1 daytime at the beginning of 1996, launching Breakfast News Extra and moving Pebble Mill to two o'clock (before the big revamp in the autumn), one of the things they did was drop the 10am news bulletin and I remember in Broadcast someone saying that was absolutely amazing because in John Birt's BBC you usually introduced more news bulletins, not get rid of them.

As you say, look how fiddly the original Daytime UK schedule is, nothing starts at the same time as anything on ITV did, apart from Dish of the Day, so when anyone switched over they'd be halfway through a programme, and People Today is at 9.30 and 10. 35 . Can't even get both starting on the half hour. This is a really dull observation but when it was off in the school holidays, they kept the 8.50 end time for Breakfast News even if all they had to show was Yogi Bear.
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1991-01-02#at-8.50

Here's how it looked after the Gulf War - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1991-03-18#at-9.15
Breakfast News was still in extended form, but Kilroy had moved back to first thing and People Today is now in one chunk at 11am, but as you can see much of it has gone for a burton and we're back with ropey US sitcoms and quiz repeats to fill the gap.

To take this back to the Gulf War, ITV dropped the 9.25 quizzes for several weeks to make way for a Gulf News Report, and everyone suggested this was ITN's first opportunity to correct the mistakes TV-am had just made. The Channel Four Daily started with thirty minutes of simulcast CNN at 6am.

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