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rdd3,217 posts since 21 Jun 2001
What if the TVS/MTM situation had been the other way around, and MTM tried to buy TVS? Would that have required not only ITC/IBA approval, but perhaps also a reletting of the franchise?

It's a pretty crazy suggestion. If the IBA had a problem with a takeover (and *any* takeover or significant share purchase would have been subject to their approval) that would likely sink the purchase, even if the company being taken over was some huge outfit like Granada (even though they had massive interests outside of television).


If for some reason MTM were determined to own whatever else TVS had, then I suggest TVS would have split off the bits they could buy in to a separate entity. It's very hard to foresee a profitable franchisee in the massively profitable effective duopoly years willingly giving up their franchise so they can hold on to both their troublesome owners and Motormouth.


MTM would have been a disqualified person from being a television programme contractor under s20(6)(a) of the Broadcasting Act 1981 as a non-EEC company, and the IBA would have had no choice but to require the sale of the TVS Television company or terminate the contract.
Riaz557 posts since 6 Jan 2016
'reluctantly' is probably the wrong verb. CPV made a grave error in their application because they were dependent on TV-am after 1993 and had no provision for what they were going to do if TV-am didn't make it through so it was probably arrogance on their part to do that. It also went to prove that just because the previous prime minister loved you wasn't a guarantee you'd live.


Was the proposal that TV-AM supplied the news only applicable for the CPV London weekday region or did it apply to the south and south east and East Anglia regions as well? Far less has been published about the CPV applications for these regions than the London weekday region.

If it was a choice between TVS, CPV, and Carlton then who would most likely have won?
Neil Jones4,782 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
I think it was the London weekday that CPV put their news eggs in one basket for, that's the most documented of the failed bids from 1991. Presumably it would have been the same for another region if they'd won it but again if its dependent on TV-am lasting into 1993 and no back-up plan, they could have bid for the entire country and won nothing. They were presumably so confident of TV-am surviving that little or no thought was given to any alternative, or if it was it wasn't submitted to the ITC in the pitch.

It may be worth doing a Freedom of Information request to Ofcom; they won't release the full bids due to law exceptions and data protection but I dare say if you cherry-pick specific points you may get some information.
Riaz557 posts since 6 Jan 2016
CPV had dreams of winning all three regions and creating a super region from them. Could TV-AM have realistically provided a news gathering service for such a large territory?
Neil Jones4,782 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
CPV had dreams of winning all three regions and creating a super region from them. Could TV-AM have realistically provided a news gathering service for such a large territory?


Are you actually going to argue and debate with anybody or just throw questions around?

As to newsgathering, the national satellite networks managed it so presumably TV-am could have done it, given enough money and resources.
Brekkie30,469 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
It may be worth doing a Freedom of Information request to Ofcom; they won't release the full bids due to law exceptions and data protection but I dare say if you cherry-pick specific points you may get some information.

Surely there should be a statute on FoI requests. Such a request may interest a few here but I really don't think it's in the taxpayers interests to have employees at OFCOM fulfilling it.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Run_Telecine24 posts since 29 Jan 2016
Meridian (South East) South East Today
Where else did TVS have news offices, apart from Southampton, Maidstone, and London? Could it be that these opt outs were done from the news offices?


I think the Heathfield opt must have been presented from Maidstone, I just wonder what the studio and playout arrangements were ?


The Heathfield opt WAS presented from Maidstone, using their bulletin studio and gallery facilities, with tapes played in from a booth in the VT area. Local MCR would have switched that studio into the Heathfield circuit.
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Neil Jones4,782 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
It may be worth doing a Freedom of Information request to Ofcom; they won't release the full bids due to law exceptions and data protection but I dare say if you cherry-pick specific points you may get some information.

Surely there should be a statute on FoI requests. Such a request may interest a few here but I really don't think it's in the taxpayers interests to have employees at OFCOM fulfilling it.


Remember that Ofcom does not solely regulate TV. It is the UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority for the broadcasting, telecommunications and postal industries of the United Kingdom.

Therefore FOI requests to it will accommodate not just random elements of past ITV franchise applications but everything else it covers. I'm not saying we should bombard Ofcom with requests on a daily basis just to burst a fellow member's ego.
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Riaz557 posts since 6 Jan 2016
Surely there should be a statute on FoI requests. Such a request may interest a few here but I really don't think it's in the taxpayers interests to have employees at OFCOM fulfilling it.


It might be worth a shot but I'm not confident that the ITC even gave consideration to a 'hard' choice between TVS, CPV, and Carlton when Meridian was an option on the table.

According to Wikipedia, CPV failed on quality grounds whilst Carlton appears to have been outbid judging from the size of their bid and no additional comments. Therefore it might be better to phrase the FOI request more towards why CPV failed on quality grounds. Also ask if Meridian was chosen over Carlton purely on the size of their bid or whether there were other factors.
Ne1L C602 posts since 11 Sep 2011
CPV had dreams of winning all three regions and creating a super region from them. Could TV-AM have realistically provided a news gathering service for such a large territory?


Are you actually going to argue and debate with anybody or just throw questions around?

As to newsgathering, the national satellite networks managed it so presumably TV-am could have done it, given enough money and resources.


Regarding that. Kerry Packer had a minority share in TVAM, if they had survived then its possible that he would have sunk more cash into the station making it in time the cornerstone of PBL's operations. Just a thought