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MA
Markymark
dazza1976 posted:
Markymark posted:
robertclark125 posted:
Where else did TVS have news offices, apart from Southampton, Maidstone, and London? Could it be that these opt outs were done from the news offices?


I think the Heathfield opt must have been presented from Maidstone, I just wonder what the studio and playout arrangements were ?


Yes, that is definitely a young Phil Hornby. Thank you for posting the picture, never saw the opt-out at the time as I received the main Maidstone programme.

That looks like the small studio used for the short TVS News bulletins, just with different signage?


Then most probably pretty much a mirror of arrangements at Southampton for the Hannington opt.

Perhaps the cue dot was there 24/7 on Heathfield for survey purposes. Hannington had one, albeit a very fiant small white square for a couple of months. Heathfield has quite an overlap with usage with Dover and BBH (as Hannington and Rowridge do, and that caught Meridian out when they launched a full sub region on Hannington)
JM
JamesM0984
robertclark125 posted:
Where else did TVS have news offices, apart from Southampton, Maidstone, and London? Could it be that these opt outs were done from the news offices?


Which one did they do their archiving at?
MA
Markymark
JamesM0984 posted:
robertclark125 posted:
Where else did TVS have news offices, apart from Southampton, Maidstone, and London? Could it be that these opt outs were done from the news offices?


Which one did they do their archiving at?


In Much Barty of course Cool
NL
Ne1L C
Reading "Under The Hammer" it amazed me how much arrogance, hubris and intelligence went into the 1992 franchise round
With TVS the eyewatering £58m per year shows how James Gatward thought he could buy his way through.

With LWT the face they downsized and restructured so in effect they were acting as a start up company showed how Dyke and Bland showed a calculated risk

LIB was imo a huge vanity project of Hughie Green. I think he wanted revenge on Thames
DA
dazza1976
Markymark posted:
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

I hadn't realised TVS split Hannington for News in the latter part of its tenure.

As you describe it as an opt (which were a bit unusual for ITV) was it an opt-out during Coast to Coast from Southampton ?


Yes, started on Dec 12th 1988, (the day of the Clapham Rail crash, total co-incidence)

It was a five minute opt-out within Coast to Coast (as mentioned thrown to from a DVE image of both presenters)

The 22:30 weekday bulletin was completely separate. Also there was a local arts show that had a separate
'what's on' segment. Probably that was a three way split ? Split ads for Hannington also came in at the same time too, if not a few weeks prior to Dec 12th ?

Edit: Additional. Heathfield also had a similar opt out from Maidstone's Coast to Coast programme. How did that work ?


And here is a screen shot of that Heathfield opt from summer 1991, sent to me by someone who has been following this thread. A young Philip Hornby I think, and interesting there's a left hand cue dot ?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r8ilo0dbj153ku3/heathfield.png?dl=0


Markymark posted:
dazza1976 posted:
Markymark posted:

I think the Heathfield opt must have been presented from Maidstone, I just wonder what the studio and playout arrangements were ?


Yes, that is definitely a young Phil Hornby. Thank you for posting the picture, never saw the opt-out at the time as I received the main Maidstone programme.

That looks like the small studio used for the short TVS News bulletins, just with different signage?


Then most probably pretty much a mirror of arrangements at Southampton for the Hannington opt.

Perhaps the cue dot was there 24/7 on Heathfield for survey purposes. Hannington had one, albeit a very fiant small white square for a couple of months. Heathfield has quite an overlap with usage with Dover and BBH (as Hannington and Rowridge do, and that caught Meridian out when they launched a full sub region on Hannington)


Actually, now I've looked at it again, is Phil sitting in front of a chromakey setup? There's a bit of a blue tinge around him... 🤔
BL
bluecortina
Ne1L C posted:
Reading "Under The Hammer" it amazed me how much arrogance, hubris and intelligence went into the 1992 franchise round
With TVS the eyewatering £58m per year shows how James Gatward thought he could buy his way through.

With LWT the face they downsized and restructured so in effect they were acting as a start up company showed how Dyke and Bland showed a calculated risk

LIB was imo a huge vanity project of Hughie Green. I think he wanted revenge on Thames


Wasn't James Gatward long gone by the time TVS put their bid in?
:-(
A former member
He was sacked before the bid went itn. As been stated many time on here TVS had no chance of ever winning.
NG
noggin Founding member
dazza1976 posted:

Actually, now I've looked at it again, is Phil sitting in front of a chromakey setup? There's a bit of a blue tinge around him... 🤔


Doesn't look like it - that looks either like camera detail or a little bit of receiver ringing. His hair looks far too clean for CSO.
RI
Riaz
The TVS bid was actually calculated albeit on the slightly optimistic side for advertising revenue. It was not a figure pulled out of thin air.

Even if TVS had bid £37m (to just clear Meridian) they would have lost because of the bad financial situation in MTM.

It's rather interesting that when TVS purchased MTM they were not too worried about losing the 1991 franchise round.
RU
russty_russ
And not forgetting the original awarded contracts were for a period between 1982 to 1990 before they got extended so was very risky what TVS was doing
SW
Steve Williams
Riaz posted:
The TVS bid was actually calculated albeit on the slightly optimistic side for advertising revenue. It was not a figure pulled out of thin air.

Even if TVS had bid £37m (to just clear Meridian) they would have lost because of the bad financial situation in MTM.


And as I've mentioned before, in Independent Television in Britain, George Russell from the ITC says Meridian were also highly likely to go through on exceptional circumstances anyway, as their offer of three regional news programmes was considered exceptional.
DV
dvboy
Someone doesn't know the difference between FORMERLY and FORMALLY.

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