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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member

I don't know if this is just something I've made up, as I can't find reference to it anywhere, but I'm sure CPV-TV intended to pool resources with TV-am.

Yes, I've read that. It was a Virgin/David Frost consortium wasn't it, the P in CPV presumably was for Paradine, Frosts company. He was still an owner/director of TVam


I read somewhat its intention to pool with TV-am was used by the ITC to fault the company because IIRC there was no provision in the bid for what the company would do if TV-am didn't keep its licence.
BR
Brekkie
How did the London News Network come about then - was that part of the Carlton and LWTs bid or did they work on it after the franchises had been awarded?
JB
JexedBack
I doubt it would have ever been on screen as CPV-TV, should they have won.
Surely that was only ever the consortium name?
NL
Ne1L C
How did the London News Network come about then - was that part of the Carlton and LWTs bid or did they work on it after the franchises had been awarded?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_News_Network
AK
Araminta Kane
Looking at that Wikipedia page it's interesting that every programme listed has its own page except for 'Day by Day' and 'Westward Diary' - possibly because they finished the longest ago and it's harder to find reliable sources. Oddly enough, though, 'Scene South East' *does* have an entry (that last programme - probably one of very few in existence - like watching a whole world die) and, should anyone be looking for sources to back up Wikipedia articles on old ITV, I can recommend 'The Stage & Television Today' archive (now merged into the general British Newspaper Archive, so no doubt accessible to more people).
JA
JAS84

I don't know if this is just something I've made up, as I can't find reference to it anywhere, but I'm sure CPV-TV intended to pool resources with TV-am.

Yes, I've read that. It was a Virgin/David Frost consortium wasn't it, the P in CPV presumably was for Paradine, Frosts company. He was still an owner/director of TVam


I read somewhat its intention to pool with TV-am was used by the ITC to fault the company because IIRC there was no provision in the bid for what the company would do if TV-am didn't keep its licence.
Which of course, is exactly what happened, so may indeed explain why CPV lost. In the event, TV-am didn't even keep it's news operation until the end, they outsourced to Sky News!

I doubt it would have ever been on screen as CPV-TV, should they have won.
Surely that was only ever the consortium name?
Probably. It would have had one name though regardless of how many regions it won. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPV-TV
Last edited by JAS84 on 2 January 2018 2:47am
IS
Inspector Sands
How did the London News Network come about then - was that part of the Carlton and LWTs bid or did they work on it after the franchises had been awarded?

Pretty sure it was a promise in the bids of either Carlton or LWT, or both. Seems an obvious cost cutting idea, so it must have been something Thames had considered too, or if not would have been a part of if they'd won
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 2 January 2018 8:16am
MA
Markymark

Yes, C4 went from an analogue BT distribution network, that went via each regional ITV company (for ad insertion) to each primary regional transmitter, to six macro regions all originating from Charlotte St, to each cluster of regional transmitters via new BT provided digital (34 Mb/s) circuits. A lot of replugging to be done.

I'm sure I saw the normal Thames/TVam/LWT glitch on channel 4 at spot on midnight and then other disturbances in the few minutes afterwards (one of which was presumably the Teletext inserter). Could it have been that in London it changed from being C4 via Thames to C4 via the South Bank, then C4 via the new distribution?


I think C4 closed down at about 3am that night ? I presume all breaks between midnight and closedown were sold and transmitted by C4, rather than the ITV companies. I can't imagine there would have been any value
to have had macro regional advertising during those three hours, so probably C4 remained on the old analogue dist (and looped through the ITV companies) until closedown, and the ads were just national playout events ?

That would have enabled BT and NTL to reconfigure everything between 3am and 8 ish ?
TI
TIGHazard
What time did the Big Breakfast air on that date? Because I seem to remember a video on YouTube of them making a big deal about how their show will have the first Channel 4 sold ads on it (and then that break used fake ads).
IS
Inspector Sands
and here is that first Channel 4 advert break (at 4 minutes in if the link doesn't take you directly there):
BH
BillyH Founding member
I've been fascinated by that "ad break" for years. Are they fake ads or ones made for local cinemas? How did Channel 4 access them if they're real, and when were they actually made - are they 1992 vintage or older? All three could feasibly date to the early 80s at least, the car in the second one looks mid-70s but given it gets wrecked an early 90s production could make sense.

I tried searching for all three companies on Google once and there's no record of any of them existing into the internet era.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Victor Lewis Smith used to use similar ads on his various clip shows. I was under the impression the ad agency would have stock ads which they could attach a local business name on at the end.

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