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james-20013,610 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
I think pretty much all the Fraggle Rocks exist (although some are videotape only) but it's the paperwork which is the main issue to rebroadcast, apparently. Some are on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcu3b922fSU


It was incredibly annoying during the CITV 30th Birthday weekend they showed the US version of Fraggle Rock, particularly as I'm pretty sure CITV never showed it so it didn't belong on there. If they couldn't get the UK version, they'd have been better off not showing it at all.

The lack of TVS content (apart from Art Attack) was quite a big hole in that weekend anyway, as they were a big contributor to CITV for the first 10 years. I'm sure I read they had planned to show a series 1 episode of Finders Keepers too, but had to change it to a series 4 one because of rights issues.
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james-20013,610 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
If they couldn't get the UK version, they'd have been better off not showing it at all.


Why? The U.S. version was the one that was distributed internationally (except in a few countries that did their own inserts).


Because it was commemorating the 30th birthday of CITV by repeating some of their old programmes. As CITV never showed the US version, I don't think it should be have been shown as part of that.

Of course there's nothing wrong with the US version being repeated generally, I just think it was misleading to have it shown as part of CITV's birthday celebrations when it's not what they actually showed.
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Inspector Sands12,656 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The final series and episodes changed the association with Thames to association with Pearson Television as Thames had been bought by Pearson at the point. I assume Fremantle who now owns Thames still has a stake in Men Behaving Badly.

I think they should do a one-off with the original cast or perhaps a sequel series. They seem more receptive to the idea now then they were in the past

I'm sure they did a reunion special episode. For Comic Relief or similar didn't they?
Whataday8,977 posts since 13 Sep 2001
HTV Wales Wales Today
The lack of TVS content (apart from Art Attack) was quite a big hole in that weekend anyway, as they were a big contributor to CITV for the first 10 years. I'm sure I read they had planned to show a series 1 episode of Finders Keepers too, but had to change it to a series 4 one because of rights issues.


I think you're being a little overdramatic to suggest it was a "big hole" considering in addition to Art Attack the weekend featured Finders Keepers, Fraggle Rock and How 2. Yes they were more recent episodes due to the rights issues which have been discussed to death on here, but they still represented TVS' contribution to CITV.

I seem to recall that the Dramarama aired that weekend was an actual TVS production, presumably because the rights were available for any contribution to that series.
Steve Williams2,418 posts since 1 Aug 2008
While we know Disney have effectively acquired it purely by accident, I would not be surprised if the entire physical archive is somewhere at ITV - I'm presuming with this logic the Game Show Story documentary was an internal ITV Studios production and not an Indie.


It was a Shiver production, so yes, in-house at ITV. But that show was a piece of light entertainment and the TVS Catchphrase clip just used in a montage to represent game shows in general rather than a specific piece about Catchphrase and TVS - so, good though that doc was, they clearly weren't spooling through acres of tape and ploughing through acres of paperwork to find it and digging out rare footage, it was clearly very easily available.

Presumably it's a bit like the Mike Smith situation, it's perfectly possible to show clips from them under fair use, but showing the whole programme is much more complicated.
Interceptor718 posts since 20 Oct 2014
While we know Disney have effectively acquired it purely by accident, I would not be surprised if the entire physical archive is somewhere at ITV - I'm presuming with this logic the Game Show Story documentary was an internal ITV Studios production and not an Indie.


It was a Shiver production, so yes, in-house at ITV. But that show was a piece of light entertainment and the TVS Catchphrase clip just used in a montage to represent game shows in general rather than a specific piece about Catchphrase and TVS - so, good though that doc was, they clearly weren't spooling through acres of tape and ploughing through acres of paperwork to find it and digging out rare footage, it was clearly very easily available.

Presumably it's a bit like the Mike Smith situation, it's perfectly possible to show clips from them under fair use, but showing the whole programme is much more complicated.

Yes - the paperwork is irrelevant for a "fair use" clip as there are no rights to settle, if any fee is paid to the distributor then it is purely for the admin involved in providing a copy. Equally fees can be paid to somebody other than the distributor for a copy if it's convenient, as various YouTube'rs will tell you; presumably if a fee was paid for access to this Catchphrase master then it would have been on that basis.


As might have been discussed here once or twice before, proper full-length distribution is impossible because there is no record of who should be paid what.
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