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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

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AK
Araminta Kane
Indeed he started on BBC1 Sunday breakfast on the first Sunday of 1993. For three years he routinely did Breakfast with Frost for BBC1 and The Frost Programme for Carlton (London region only) in the same week.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Indeed he started on BBC1 Sunday breakfast on the first Sunday of 1993. For three years he routinely did Breakfast with Frost for BBC1 and The Frost Programme for Carlton (London region only) in the same week.


I read somewhere before that Frost was offered a contract by GMTV but declined in favour of the BBC.

By the way I only recently realised that the Breakfast With Frost theme was a variation on the theme for Breakfast Time/Breakfast News.



Was it initially more aligned with Breakfast News?
JA
james-2001
David Frost was one of those people who always looked older than he was. You wouldn't have thought he was in his 40s most of the time he was at TV-am, or still in his 50s in the Breakfast With Frost clip above- looks more like he was in his 70s.
RU
russty_russ
Thames and Carlton were fighting each other for most of 1992, and Thames refused to run promos for Carlton unless they absolutely had to. I'm not sure the ITC forced them - as far as I knew they didn't show any Carlton trails, but people on here have said different.

In the final week of Thames most promo slots were taken up with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seyuglsgjPU


From what I heard, I think Carlton's promos were mainly on LWT although Thames may have caved in on their final week. Whether extra money was exchanged who knows.

Thames' final night was interesting. I know its been mentioned before about A Murder Of Quality showing on that final night but equally as interesting was the name of The Bill episode that night "When Push Comes To Shove"
RU
russty_russ
Indeed he started on BBC1 Sunday breakfast on the first Sunday of 1993. For three years he routinely did Breakfast with Frost for BBC1 and The Frost Programme for Carlton (London region only) in the same week.


Thanks for this, never knew about his Carlton series but I was an Anglia man back then.
AK
Araminta Kane
David Frost was one of those people who always looked older than he was. You wouldn't have thought he was in his 40s most of the time he was at TV-am, or still in his 50s in the Breakfast With Frost clip above- looks more like he was in his 70s.


I think almost everyone used to look older compared to people of the same age now. Christopher Robbie was only 43 when Southern went offair (which amazed me to find out, even in the context of the time).
AK
Araminta Kane
Thames' final night was interesting. I know its been mentioned before about A Murder Of Quality showing on that final night but equally as interesting was the name of The Bill episode that night "When Push Comes To Shove"


They repeated the Paul Foot documentary on the Carl Bridgewater case at 7.00, shunting Emmerdale to 6.30. This was also clearly making some kind of point, and I think they may have tried to get the repeat networked but were turned down. They certainly wanted The End of the Year Show to run for something like four hours, which I think would have been too much really.

Always associate first seeing that final night's schedule with the swimming baths in Dartford - so vivid in my mind.
IS
Inspector Sands

From what I heard, I think Carlton's promos were mainly on LWT although Thames may have caved in on their final week. Whether extra money was exchanged who knows.

I'm pretty sure that any Carlton promos seen on Thames were paid for adverts and not promos.

I can't see how anyone could force them to show their promos as promos, but refusing adverts is more difficult, it gets into the realms of 'restraint of trade'
RU
russty_russ

From what I heard, I think Carlton's promos were mainly on LWT although Thames may have caved in on their final week. Whether extra money was exchanged who knows.

I'm pretty sure that any Carlton promos seen on Thames were paid for adverts and not promos.

I can't see how anyone could force them to show their promos as promos, but refusing adverts is more difficult, it gets into the realms of 'restraint of trade'


Sorry ads instead of promos. Two completely different things. Head thinking one thing but my fingers typing something else!
AK
Araminta Kane
For the record, the Le Carré adaptation (the only one ever commissioned for ITV) which was repeated throughout the network on 31.12.92 (and whose title some think was meant to make a political point) was released on Region 1 DVD (which I have) fourteen years ago but has *still* never appeared on Region 2.

Seems odd considering the writer's clear resentment that Britain was on the side of pop culture in the Cold War and that it maybe should have been on the other side so as to keep McDonald's and Coca-Cola out - but then that is probably precisely what appeals to the PBS crowd's well-known resentment and guilt at their own country's global influence.
:-(
A former member
Indeed he started on BBC1 Sunday breakfast on the first Sunday of 1993. For three years he routinely did Breakfast with Frost for BBC1 and The Frost Programme for Carlton (London region only) in the same week.


I read somewhere before that Frost was offered a contract by GMTV but declined in favour of the BBC.

By the way I only recently realised that the Breakfast With Frost theme was a variation on the theme for Breakfast Time/Breakfast News.

Was it initially more aligned with Breakfast News?


I heard Frost offered the programme to GMTV and there just said no. which would make sense,
WH
Whataday Founding member
Indeed he started on BBC1 Sunday breakfast on the first Sunday of 1993. For three years he routinely did Breakfast with Frost for BBC1 and The Frost Programme for Carlton (London region only) in the same week.


I read somewhere before that Frost was offered a contract by GMTV but declined in favour of the BBC.

By the way I only recently realised that the Breakfast With Frost theme was a variation on the theme for Breakfast Time/Breakfast News.

Was it initially more aligned with Breakfast News?


I heard Frost offered the programme to GMTV and there just said no. which would make sense,


You're quite right, according to his BBC obit:

Quote:
When GMTV won ITV's breakfast franchise in 1992, it was made clear that Frost, who had submitted a rival bid, would no longer be welcome.

The BBC pounced, and signed him up to present Breakfast with Frost,


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13528279

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