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Inspector Sands12,729 posts since 25 Aug 2004
It is odd to think that Thames has been off air for longer than it was on.


Of course it wasn't just the 4 ITV companies that closed, Oracle was replaced by Teletext and Channel 4 started selling and broadcasting it's own advertising.

It did seem a massive event at the time but nowadays TV channels close and open all the time and none are as dominant as they were in the old 4 channel system
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Ne1L C547 posts since 11 Sep 2011
It is off to think that Thames has been off air for longer than it was on.


Of course it wasn't just the 4 ITV companies that closed, Oracle was replaced by Teletext and Channel 4 started selling and broadcasting it's own advertising.

It did seem a massive event at the time but nowadays TV channels close and open all the time and none are as dominant as they were in the old 4 channel system


Times change and so does the culture. A lot of us remember and mourn Thames et al but the past is the past. Lets remember the good stuff Very Happy
Andrew13,071 posts since 27 Mar 2001
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
One thing which is quite odd when thinking about it is now the franchises changed over at Midnight.

So you either had the outgoing franchise being a bit miserable heading up to midnight, or the new franchise talking about how great regional news will be at just past midnight. Loads of staff had to be working at both franchises, plus people flicking the switches, amongst all this the viewers were just wanting to celebrate new year and not really that interested in how there would now be sub opts and more newsrooms across the region.

The TV day starts at 6am in every other circumstance so maybe the franchises could have changed at that time as well, with the new ones launching at 9:25am
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JAS843,569 posts since 26 Aug 2010
Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)
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Again. Thames had two major shareholders who wanted out as quickly as possible. Carlton would have brought it out fairly quickly.

TVS would have fallen to Granada to increase pressure on LWT going the same way.

The wildcard would have been TV-am. TSW would have gone to either Charlton or Granada.

It's who Kerry Packer would sell TV-am to. It would have ended up in a biggest chequebook deal, rather than any great corporate ITV strategic deal.
Carlton would've still bought Central, they already had a stake. Not necessarily Thames. Granada couldn't buy TVS - their takeover of LWT and Yorkshire's of Tyne Tees happened very early on. Anglia is another wildcard. Initially, they were bought by Meridian, but if TVS kept their franchise that may have been the other way around.
ttt362 posts since 15 Aug 2015
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Again. Thames had two major shareholders who wanted out as quickly as possible. Carlton would have brought it out fairly quickly.

TVS would have fallen to Granada to increase pressure on LWT going the same way.

The wildcard would have been TV-am. TSW would have gone to either Charlton or Granada.

It's who Kerry Packer would sell TV-am to. It would have ended up in a biggest chequebook deal, rather than any great corporate ITV strategic deal.
Carlton would've still bought Central, they already had a stake. Not necessarily Thames. Granada couldn't buy TVS - their takeover of LWT and Yorkshire's of Tyne Tees happened very early on. Anglia is another wildcard. Initially, they were bought by Meridian, but if TVS kept their franchise that may have been the other way around.


Tyne Tees was taken over in June of 1992... the atmosphere in Newcastle was unequivocally negative. YTV announced a 50% reduction in staff on December 20th IIRC; Stuart McNeil announced it at the end of the local news as a breaking story as pretty much the final words before the main news broke up for Christmas.
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Neil Jones4,584 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
One thing which is quite odd when thinking about it is now the franchises changed over at Midnight.

So you either had the outgoing franchise being a bit miserable heading up to midnight, or the new franchise talking about how great regional news will be at just past midnight. Loads of staff had to be working at both franchises, plus people flicking the switches, amongst all this the viewers were just wanting to celebrate new year and not really that interested in how there would now be sub opts and more newsrooms across the region.

The TV day starts at 6am in every other circumstance so maybe the franchises could have changed at that time as well, with the new ones launching at 9:25am


I suspect because by that point ITV at least was 24hrs, midnight seemed as good a time as any to handover. A new year starts at midnight so the new licences can start at midnight too. I suppose there was nothing technically to prevent a changeover at 9:25am on Jan 1st 1993, though that would have effectively made GMTV the first of the new broadcasters on the air at 6am and any farewell packages such as the one Thames made would have effectively gone out at, like five to six in the morning when less people would have noticed they were going.

I dare say the switches from franchise to franchise were automated; no different really to the handovers that had been happening every morning at 6am and 9:25am for the previous nine and a half years. Virtually invisible at the time, on full view now thanks to VHS and YouTube Smile
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Markymark5,890 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today


I dare say the switches from franchise to franchise were automated; no different really to the handovers that had been happening every morning at 6am and 9:25am for the previous nine and a half years. Virtually invisible at the time, on full view now thanks to VHS and YouTube Smile


Thames to Carlton was a switch at the BT Tower ( the same one, and last that had occurred since July 1968 with Thames to LWT at 19:00 Fridays, from 82 17:15).

TVS to Meridian required no switch, same studio centre

TSW to Westcountry required NTL staff at Caradon Hill to switch from incoming BT circuits carrying TSW, to NTL digital circuits carrying Westcountry. Someone accidentally pulled out something at Caradon at 00:45 (on their way home I think) and WC was taken off the air for an hour or two. Good start !
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nwtv20038,246 posts since 5 Jan 2003
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Here’s a clip uploaded to Twitter tonight, courtesy of Mark Lipscomb showing the Thames control room as the station went off air.



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MMcG198589 posts since 14 Dec 2014
UTV Newsline
Carlton's OSP was ahead of its time and very fresh for the 90s. I'm probably going to commit a TV Forum sin and say, I can see why the Central Cake was ditched.


I tend to agree. I think a lot of people are excessively sentimental about Central's pres. Central certainly produced a lot of idents/stings but personally, I never really warmed to them. I never really regarded their material as ground breaking. There was just a lot of it.