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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

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Markymark
Didn't Granada have a "Widescreen Experience" earlier in the 90s? Or was that literally just showing stuff in letterbox?


Granada did conduct some local PAL+ transmissions in the 90s, along with C4 they were the only UK broadcasters to do so. Yes, for non PAL+ TV sets, it was effectively deep letterbox
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sbahnhof 7
I think the only reassignment of ITV regions after 1982, was in 2009 when the Isle of Man was moved from Border to Granada ?


Don't forget Berwick switched to tt at the same. I'm also sure south Oxfordshire switched to meridian.



Some threads about Berwick – I hadn't realized it changed. Was it December 2006 when it switched from Selkirk to Chatton?

- https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/bye-bye-border-21586 (2006)
- https://tvforum.uk/thenewsroom/border-television-23761 (2007)
- https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/television-berwick-tweed-40642
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Mike516
Don't forget Berwick switched to tt at the same. I'm also sure south Oxfordshire switched to meridian.


Oh yes, you're right. That reminds me, also at DSO in the Granada and YTV regions, some relays
that were split between BB and ITV regions near the Lancs/Yorks border were unified (which was the reason why Berwick moved from Border to TTT too)

I think also the Lincoln relay moved from Central East to YTV, (to match the BBC's arrangement) ?

Lincoln was the other way around: BBC East Midlands to BBC E Yorks & Lincs. ITV Yorkshire was always there.

Ashbourne went from ITV Central West to East joining BBC East Midlands as part of the alignment process.

Interesting that Ridge Hill's PSB2 West multiplex that allows N Gloucestershire to choose between ITV Central or ITV West is changing soon to QSPK mode with a reduction in power.
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Stuart
DE88 posted:
And there must have been a reason for displaying the then Network 2's schedule *above* that of RTE1.

After the ITV regions (which are shown alphabetically), the "other channels" are also shown the same way: Network2, RTE1, S4C. Very Happy
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DE88
DE88 posted:
And there must have been a reason for displaying the then Network 2's schedule *above* that of RTE1.

After the ITV regions (which are shown alphabetically), the "other channels" are also shown the same way: Network2, RTE1, S4C. Very Happy


Makes sense for this 30-year-old loyal Guardian reader, who has in fact been living in Ireland for 16 of those 30 years. Laughing

Thanks. Wink
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Markymark
a516 posted:


Interesting that Ridge Hill's PSB2 West multiplex that allows N Gloucestershire to choose between ITV Central or ITV West is changing soon to QSPK mode with a reduction in power.


Yes, from memory its UHF allocation of Ch 29 is to be adopted by a number of sites relatively close by as part of 700 MHz clearance, so the ERP is being reduced by 10 dB. To mitigate that, the modulation is going from 64QAM to QPSK, which more or less compensates, and should provide equivalent reception conditions for the single channel mux

9 days later

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Ne1L C
I did ask about CPV a while ago and I did post this a while back, but here it is again: from Ofcom

https://up.metropol247.co.uk/barcode/CPV%20TV%20Q3.pdf

ITC look at the plans and throw it in the bin, just like southern plans in 1981. David frost should have known better.


What a load of c**p! Talk about arrogance.
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Revolution
Network centre really didn't help matters I don't believe there were commissioning programme on merit or uk wide appeal. I still wonder if alot of horse trading had to be done would we have same programmes?

Even if Thames were promised x hours on the network per say, it wasn't rumber stamp since plenty still opted out or moved content around.


Well, yes, but it was still the case that Thames would get some stuff on air more or less because it was Thames' "turn" to do things. Actually in Independent Television In Britain it says that Thames weren't especially popular around the network because they would often throw their weight about and be very demanding. In the old system you would get things like LWT dropping Cannon and Ball in 1988 because they were considered too downmarket and their ratings were declining, only for them to be signed up by Yorkshire so they still had to show Cannon and Ball because Yorkshire were guaranteed X number of hours on a Saturday night.

Ostensibly the Network Centre would have stopped that, although obviously there were plenty of politics about. I remember reading that the various companies would bombard the Network Centre with stats about which shows performed below average in their regions, and there was that famous incident in 1997 when Beadle's Hotshots was dropped mid-run by request of LWT because it was perfoming so badly in what was a key slot for them - despite the fact it was actually made by LWT. But presumably the idea was to avoid weak shows staying on because it was the specific company's "turn" to fill this or that slot.

Let us not forget that Carlton were given an official b********g for the quality of their programming from the ITC barely a year after they went on air.


Well, yes, but many other companies were similarly rebuked - Yorkshire and Tyne Tees got a ticking off for doing too many pan-regional programmes of poor quality, and I remember HTV were criticised for the poor quality of their local programmes (at which point they immediately promoted them to 7pm on Mondays and Wednesdays and moved the network shows to 5.10 to prove a point).

As I mentioned, I've got no brief for Carlton and it is true that they had teething troubles in their first year and several programmes didn't work, but they were launching a lot of new programmes at once. There was probably also a factor in that quite a lot of people behind the scenes had vast experience in televison but maybe not so much in primetime ITV which is undoubtedly a very tough area to compete (Lose a Million is the perfect example, it might have worked on C4 or even BBC1, but not on primetime ITV).

Besides, LWT's first year or so on air was a total disaster, for many of the same reasons. Worked out OK for them in the end, didn't it?

Granada too, which attracted the biggest attention:

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There was a wonderful piece by Alan Hamilton in the Times, scrutinising the whole 'quality threshold' in a week where the soaps dominated the ratings chart.
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A former member
Do you have a date for that piece ?
RE
Revolution
I think it was October 1991. I'll have a proper trawl through the archives tonight and see if I can find it. That is if you haven't already.
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A former member
Another reason why Thames was not give a good light in its latter years in operations

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Revolution
Before I forget @623058,

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You may also find this interesting, letters to the editor over TV-AM's loss. Smile
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