WH
Same here - I had no idea the change was due to happen so it was quite disorientating first thing in the morning.
Wasn't it delayed slightly following Diana's death?
Whataday
Founding member
I was 12, and loved the surprise of the rebrand. The first thing I saw was the frog CBBC ident at the end of superman before the start of Live & Kicking and the new logo being added to the titles.
Same here - I had no idea the change was due to happen so it was quite disorientating first thing in the morning.
Wasn't it delayed slightly following Diana's death?
LL
As much as I like those CBBC idents, it's a wonder how they got away with something so sparse for something aimed at young viewers, especially when you see how in-yer-face some of the presentation can be nowadays on kids' TV channels.
RW
I doubt it - the Radio Times dated 4-10 October 1997 was the first to have the new logos for television and radio printed within it, with minor changes in the page designs to accommodate them. If the changeover had been postponed at short notice, then RT would probably have already printed the new logos.
That edition of RT noted that the new BBC logo would be seen on screen from the Saturday - which is why, unlike some others here, the changeover was no surprise to me. The logo printed for 'BBC ONE', with the logo on a red background with orange bits, bore no relation to what was currently being broadcast, which is what led me to believe a new ident would launch, along with the fact that I knew the current globe had already outlasted its predecessor, so it seemed change was already overdue.
Around this time I wasn't normally up early enough on a Saturday to see the start of Live and Kicking, so I wasn't aware that the BBC1 symbol was no longer broadcast into it, as had been the case in 1991 when the virtual globe launched at the start of Going Live! Therefore I was a bit frustrated to only see that CBBC ident and the altered L&K titles, and having to wait over three hours to see what BBC1 had in store!
Robert Williams
Founding member
Wasn't it delayed slightly following Diana's death?
I doubt it - the Radio Times dated 4-10 October 1997 was the first to have the new logos for television and radio printed within it, with minor changes in the page designs to accommodate them. If the changeover had been postponed at short notice, then RT would probably have already printed the new logos.
That edition of RT noted that the new BBC logo would be seen on screen from the Saturday - which is why, unlike some others here, the changeover was no surprise to me. The logo printed for 'BBC ONE', with the logo on a red background with orange bits, bore no relation to what was currently being broadcast, which is what led me to believe a new ident would launch, along with the fact that I knew the current globe had already outlasted its predecessor, so it seemed change was already overdue.
Around this time I wasn't normally up early enough on a Saturday to see the start of Live and Kicking, so I wasn't aware that the BBC1 symbol was no longer broadcast into it, as had been the case in 1991 when the virtual globe launched at the start of Going Live! Therefore I was a bit frustrated to only see that CBBC ident and the altered L&K titles, and having to wait over three hours to see what BBC1 had in store!
IS
Always thought they were awful, just so dull and unexciting. They lasted a lot longer than they should have too, their replacements being abandoned before they made it to air. Hence they tried to re-edit them to make them a bit more exciting which didn't really work
As much as I like those CBBC idents, it's a wonder how they got away with something so sparse for something aimed at young viewers, especially when you see how in-yer-face some of the presentation can be nowadays on kids' TV channels.
Always thought they were awful, just so dull and unexciting. They lasted a lot longer than they should have too, their replacements being abandoned before they made it to air. Hence they tried to re-edit them to make them a bit more exciting which didn't really work
IS
Presumably they opened the channel with the new ident before CBBC?
Around this time I wasn't normally up early enough on a Saturday to see the start of Live and Kicking, so I wasn't aware that the BBC1 symbol was no longer broadcast into it, as had been the case in 1991 when the virtual globe launched at the start of Going Live! Therefore I was a bit frustrated to only see that CBBC ident and the altered L&K titles, and having to wait over three hours to see what BBC1 had in store!
Presumably they opened the channel with the new ident before CBBC?
RW
Presumably they opened the channel with the new ident before CBBC?
It was only until a few years later that I discovered from (probably) TV Ark that new idents had indeed launched first thing that morning. Looking at the schedule now, the first programme that morning was in fact Flash Gordon at 7.05am, followed by the news and then CBBC at 7.30, so that's three junctions I missed. L&K started at 9.15 rather than 9.00 so it seems I had slightly more of a lie-in than I thought!
In contrast, in 1991 I ridiculously got up for 7.30 on the Saturday morning hoping to catch the first showing of the new globe, and then they didn't even show it until 9.00!
Robert Williams
Founding member
Around this time I wasn't normally up early enough on a Saturday to see the start of Live and Kicking, so I wasn't aware that the BBC1 symbol was no longer broadcast into it, as had been the case in 1991 when the virtual globe launched at the start of Going Live! Therefore I was a bit frustrated to only see that CBBC ident and the altered L&K titles, and having to wait over three hours to see what BBC1 had in store!
Presumably they opened the channel with the new ident before CBBC?
It was only until a few years later that I discovered from (probably) TV Ark that new idents had indeed launched first thing that morning. Looking at the schedule now, the first programme that morning was in fact Flash Gordon at 7.05am, followed by the news and then CBBC at 7.30, so that's three junctions I missed. L&K started at 9.15 rather than 9.00 so it seems I had slightly more of a lie-in than I thought!
In contrast, in 1991 I ridiculously got up for 7.30 on the Saturday morning hoping to catch the first showing of the new globe, and then they didn't even show it until 9.00!
SP
I suspect L&K's title sequence got the new logo on the side of TC1 more quickly than the real thing
VM
I think on the Saturday Mornings website it says that the new signage was only put up in time for Children in Need that year.
Here's a question: when was the BBC1 and BBC2 signage above the main reception removed? Did it also last through to November?
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-entrance-to-main-reception-at-bbc-television-centre-wood-lane-picture-id490708893
I suspect L&K's title sequence got the new logo on the side of TC1 more quickly than the real thing
I think on the Saturday Mornings website it says that the new signage was only put up in time for Children in Need that year.
Here's a question: when was the BBC1 and BBC2 signage above the main reception removed? Did it also last through to November?
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-entrance-to-main-reception-at-bbc-television-centre-wood-lane-picture-id490708893
SW
No, but I remember they used all the other elements of the new presentation, including the slides and the clock, this coming during the Gulf War when they were doing news bulletins at 7am, 8am and 9am on Saturdays. This was also during the period there was no CBBC branding on the programmes before Going Live, Saturday Stars Here ended in 1990 and until the Broom Cupboard took it on in 1992 they were all linked by the announcer, which seemed a bit of a step backwards.
I was always up ridiculously early in those days, so it was no hardship. Indeed I was usually up for the Open University and I remember that at the time they were running a geometry course at 7am, just before the kids' shows, and one episode included a long sequence about the COW globe.
In 1997, though, I'd gone to university a few weeks before and was asleep and missed it. Indeed I seem to recall it was the first time I'd even missed the beginning of Live and Kicking.
In contrast, in 1991 I ridiculously got up for 7.30 on the Saturday morning hoping to catch the first showing of the new globe, and then they didn't even show it until 9.00!
No, but I remember they used all the other elements of the new presentation, including the slides and the clock, this coming during the Gulf War when they were doing news bulletins at 7am, 8am and 9am on Saturdays. This was also during the period there was no CBBC branding on the programmes before Going Live, Saturday Stars Here ended in 1990 and until the Broom Cupboard took it on in 1992 they were all linked by the announcer, which seemed a bit of a step backwards.
I was always up ridiculously early in those days, so it was no hardship. Indeed I was usually up for the Open University and I remember that at the time they were running a geometry course at 7am, just before the kids' shows, and one episode included a long sequence about the COW globe.
In 1997, though, I'd gone to university a few weeks before and was asleep and missed it. Indeed I seem to recall it was the first time I'd even missed the beginning of Live and Kicking.
RW
No, but I remember they used all the other elements of the new presentation, including the slides and the clock, this coming during the Gulf War when they were doing news bulletins at 7am, 8am and 9am on Saturdays. This was also during the period there was no CBBC branding on the programmes before Going Live, Saturday Stars Here ended in 1990 and until the Broom Cupboard took it on in 1992 they were all linked by the announcer, which seemed a bit of a step backwards.
I was always up ridiculously early in those days, so it was no hardship. Indeed I was usually up for the Open University and I remember that at the time they were running a geometry course at 7am, just before the kids' shows, and one episode included a long sequence about the COW globe.
In 1997, though, I'd gone to university a few weeks before and was asleep and missed it. Indeed I seem to recall it was the first time I'd even missed the beginning of Live and Kicking.
Yes, that's right, I do remember seeing the clock more than once before 9.00 that morning in 1991, and the new-style slides, I think the first I saw was for Eggs 'n' Baker, and I think they must have shown a BBC2 slide as well because I noticed that they used the same design layout for the first time, and it was at that point it became clear that this revamp was about bringing a more coherent and uniform identity across the two channels.
By this time, in my mid-teens, I wasn't usually up before about 10.00 on a non-school day, so to be up at 7.30 at the weekend was very unusual!
Robert Williams
Founding member
In contrast, in 1991 I ridiculously got up for 7.30 on the Saturday morning hoping to catch the first showing of the new globe, and then they didn't even show it until 9.00!
No, but I remember they used all the other elements of the new presentation, including the slides and the clock, this coming during the Gulf War when they were doing news bulletins at 7am, 8am and 9am on Saturdays. This was also during the period there was no CBBC branding on the programmes before Going Live, Saturday Stars Here ended in 1990 and until the Broom Cupboard took it on in 1992 they were all linked by the announcer, which seemed a bit of a step backwards.
I was always up ridiculously early in those days, so it was no hardship. Indeed I was usually up for the Open University and I remember that at the time they were running a geometry course at 7am, just before the kids' shows, and one episode included a long sequence about the COW globe.
In 1997, though, I'd gone to university a few weeks before and was asleep and missed it. Indeed I seem to recall it was the first time I'd even missed the beginning of Live and Kicking.
Yes, that's right, I do remember seeing the clock more than once before 9.00 that morning in 1991, and the new-style slides, I think the first I saw was for Eggs 'n' Baker, and I think they must have shown a BBC2 slide as well because I noticed that they used the same design layout for the first time, and it was at that point it became clear that this revamp was about bringing a more coherent and uniform identity across the two channels.
By this time, in my mid-teens, I wasn't usually up before about 10.00 on a non-school day, so to be up at 7.30 at the weekend was very unusual!