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(February 2015)

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JA
JAS84
Indeed. If neither the Conservatives nor Labour have a majority, and as expected the Lib Dems lose a ton of votes (they're a left wing party, so they betrayed what they supposedly stand for when they went into coalition with the right wing Tories) then UKIP and/or the SNP will be the kingmakers.
DV
DVB Cornwall
C4/Sky

Labour won the toss, and have chosen to receive ....

i.e. Cameron first, Miliband second.
DT
DTV
JAS84 posted:
they're a left wing party


No they aren't
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A former member
DTV posted:
JAS84 posted:
they're a left wing party


No they aren't


Bingo, its a centre party which cover the middle ground, have done since 1988, Im sure the old Liberal party were a bit more right wing ish,
MI
Michael
JAS84 posted:
UKIP and/or the SNP will be the kingmakers.


UKIP will have between 2 and 4 seats. SNP looking at 50+.

>> Metropol
DT
DTV
DTV posted:
JAS84 posted:
they're a left wing party


No they aren't


Bingo, its a centre party which cover the middle ground, have done since 1988, Im sure the old Liberal party were a bit more right wing ish,


The old Liberal party were the big advocates of the free market, particularly before the Conservative Party moved from their centrist one-nation standpoint to their neo-liberal standpoint. Nowadays it's an odd mismatch of left and right with it comprising mainly of three factions - old centrist ex-Social Democrats, centre-rightists and 'Orange Bookers' like Danny Alexander and Nick Clegg who are the most economically right wing out of the factions.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Cameron may have got his own way, but all the way through this I've thought he's had a very valid point that he hasn't made clearly enough. Broadcasters wanted to shoehorn Nigel Farage in as a contender on a par with Cameron, Milliband and Clegg. That simply isn't the case, and UKIP are far more comparable to the Greens.

The broadcasters basically wanted Farage to add value (and therefore ratings) to the programmes.


Ofcom were the ones who declared UKIP a major party. Considering the high likelihood of a hung parliament after the vote, smaller parties are of greater importance than they would be otherwise.


"Smaller parties" yes, but why are UKIP so special when the Green Party could have near enough the same amount of MPs and SNP will have many times more?
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A former member
Cameron may have got his own way, but all the way through this I've thought he's had a very valid point that he hasn't made clearly enough. Broadcasters wanted to shoehorn Nigel Farage in as a contender on a par with Cameron, Milliband and Clegg. That simply isn't the case, and UKIP are far more comparable to the Greens.

The broadcasters basically wanted Farage to add value (and therefore ratings) to the programmes.


Ofcom were the ones who declared UKIP a major party. Considering the high likelihood of a hung parliament after the vote, smaller parties are of greater importance than they would be otherwise.


"Smaller parties" yes, but why are UKIP so special when the Green Party could have near enough the same amount of MPs and SNP will have many times more?


Because UKIP topped a national election last may for the EU vote. First time in over 100 year Labour NOR Tories have come top
DT
DTV
BBC has announced plans to hold two Scottish Leader's Debates
- 8 April: SNP/LAB/CON/LD/SGP/UKIP
- 3 May: SNP/LAB/CON/LD
Oddly the first would be the day after the STV Debate - I expect plans for Wales and Northern Ireland will follow soon.
BA
bilky asko
Cameron may have got his own way, but all the way through this I've thought he's had a very valid point that he hasn't made clearly enough. Broadcasters wanted to shoehorn Nigel Farage in as a contender on a par with Cameron, Milliband and Clegg. That simply isn't the case, and UKIP are far more comparable to the Greens.

The broadcasters basically wanted Farage to add value (and therefore ratings) to the programmes.


Ofcom were the ones who declared UKIP a major party. Considering the high likelihood of a hung parliament after the vote, smaller parties are of greater importance than they would be otherwise.


"Smaller parties" yes, but why are UKIP so special when the Green Party could have near enough the same amount of MPs and SNP will have many times more?


Because the SNP cannot be voted for by ~90% of the electorate, and because UKIP gained significant amount of votes in the EU elections.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Cameron may have got his own way, but all the way through this I've thought he's had a very valid point that he hasn't made clearly enough. Broadcasters wanted to shoehorn Nigel Farage in as a contender on a par with Cameron, Milliband and Clegg. That simply isn't the case, and UKIP are far more comparable to the Greens.

The broadcasters basically wanted Farage to add value (and therefore ratings) to the programmes.


Ofcom were the ones who declared UKIP a major party. Considering the high likelihood of a hung parliament after the vote, smaller parties are of greater importance than they would be otherwise.


"Smaller parties" yes, but why are UKIP so special when the Green Party could have near enough the same amount of MPs and SNP will have many times more?


Because the SNP cannot be voted for by ~90% of the electorate, and because UKIP gained significant amount of votes in the EU elections.


So that's an entirely different reason to the one you gave regarding smaller parties making all the difference in this election.

The first time ever that the European Elections have been used as an indicator of how people will vote in the General Election surely.
BA
bilky asko
Cameron may have got his own way, but all the way through this I've thought he's had a very valid point that he hasn't made clearly enough. Broadcasters wanted to shoehorn Nigel Farage in as a contender on a par with Cameron, Milliband and Clegg. That simply isn't the case, and UKIP are far more comparable to the Greens.

The broadcasters basically wanted Farage to add value (and therefore ratings) to the programmes.


Ofcom were the ones who declared UKIP a major party. Considering the high likelihood of a hung parliament after the vote, smaller parties are of greater importance than they would be otherwise.


"Smaller parties" yes, but why are UKIP so special when the Green Party could have near enough the same amount of MPs and SNP will have many times more?


Because the SNP cannot be voted for by ~90% of the electorate, and because UKIP gained significant amount of votes in the EU elections.


So that's an entirely different reason to the one you gave regarding smaller parties making all the difference in this election.

The first time ever that the European Elections have been used as an indicator of how people will vote in the General Election surely.


I'm just defending Ofcom's decision to declare UKIP as a major party, or at the very least explaining what their reasoning may have been.

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