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Inspector Sands13,761 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Yes it wasn't an LWT production, it was an ITV Sport production.

It just so happened that it came from an LWT studio. According to the TV Studio History website it did occasionally go out on bank holidays from a Thames studio, and before LWT it came from Teddington as it was handled by ABC
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Markymark6,957 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
Yes it wasn't an LWT production, it was an ITV Sport production.

It just so happened that it came from an LWT studio. According to the TV Studio History website it did occasionally go out on bank holidays from a Thames studio, and before LWT it came from Teddington as it was handled by ABC


During the 70s and 80s:-

I think World of Sport as a 'brand' was only used for the Saturday sports programme (unlike Grandstand which was used other days of the week) Bank Holiday Mondays, the coverage was branded 'Bank Holiday Sports Special' I think ? and came from Thames at Euston (but normally still presented by Dickie Davies)

It was only 7 or 14 day events, (World Cups, Olympics, etc) that were presented entirely from either Thames Euston or LWT. Mainly LWT I think, although the joint ITV/C4 1988 Olympics stuff was from Thames. Barry Norman was one of the presenting team, (and why not )
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Night Thoughts228 posts since 24 Jan 2016
London London
Yes it wasn't an LWT production, it was an ITV Sport production.

It just so happened that it came from an LWT studio. According to the TV Studio History website it did occasionally go out on bank holidays from a Thames studio, and before LWT it came from Teddington as it was handled by ABC


When did ITV Sport become an entity that could produce programmes?

I ask that because World of Sport is said to have changed quite a lot when ABC stopped being involved and LWT came in with Jimmy Hill as its head of sport - not least Eamonn Andrews being replaced as host by Dickie Davies.
Markymark6,957 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
Yes it wasn't an LWT production, it was an ITV Sport production.

It just so happened that it came from an LWT studio. According to the TV Studio History website it did occasionally go out on bank holidays from a Thames studio, and before LWT it came from Teddington as it was handled by ABC


When did ITV Sport become an entity that could produce programmes?



That was in the 90s I think, and was a consortium formed of Carlton-Central, and.........?
bluecortina850 posts since 26 Jul 2012
Yes it wasn't an LWT production, it was an ITV Sport production.

It just so happened that it came from an LWT studio. According to the TV Studio History website it did occasionally go out on bank holidays from a Thames studio, and before LWT it came from Teddington as it was handled by ABC


When did ITV Sport become an entity that could produce programmes?



That was in the 90s I think, and was a consortium formed of Carlton-Central, and.........?


I wonder if you are referring to ISN? - the Independent Sports Network that was a sort of subsidiary of LNN? Various itv licence holders signed up to it, to produce their individual sports programming requirements. So as a sports journalist you could be employed by ISN but be residing at a local ITV licence holder producing their sports reporting. Some, but not all licence holders by any means, signed up to ISN.

Here's a little bit about it.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FibzC0ADqgAC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=independent+sports+network+lnn&source=bl&ots=tDJY2vGUQb&sig=UDaSc45XUkUC32CI-IAy0BMUSzQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv2-yc3oHTAhWKOsAKHas2AlMQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=independent%20sports%20network%20lnn&f=false
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bluecortina850 posts since 26 Jul 2012

Another thing though, WOS was an LWT production, despite it saying "AN ITV COLOUR PRODUCTION" at the end. Wouldn't LWT simply be able to contract one company, either TTTV or LWT, to provide the racing at Thirsk?

Just to cloud the issue - in the TV Times the billing of WOS ended with 'World Of Sport is complied for ITV by London Weeked Television'

Therefore, that implied that the individual companies fed into the show, and LWT fed out again via the KRS lines.

Now, I'm unsure how the show worked in planning.
Whether the editor had a list of events and cherrypicked them and then 'commissioned' the lTV company local to that event to park up the scanner for WOS.
Or, something like the daily editorial meeting that Nationwide used to have at 10.30am where the regions would 'offer' a piece/report for inclusion between on that nights show, ITV companies would 'offer' a sporting event for that Saturday's WOS.

Hence, how you got into the 'Thirsk' mess, where WOS/LWT took YTV's offer of racing at Thirsk, but then hit the TTTV juice cable issue on the day of TX.


The TV Times is quite right. LWT compiled the programme from various segments included pre-recorded material and live events from where ever. One of the reasons Kent House had a large lines facility.
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TonyCurrie398 posts since 19 Sep 2003
STV Central Reporting Scotland
Territorial disputes weren't uncommon in the early days of ITV. I remember some time in the early 60s, STV crews walking out because an ATV crew were coming up to Glasgow to cover the Kelvin Hall Circus. Symbolically, STV's strike began the minute the ATV crew crossed the border into Scotland, and they stayed out until ATV were back on English soil again!
The views expressed on this forum are entirely my own.
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Markymark6,957 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
If they started the strike when they crossed the border into Scotland, they would be in Border TV territory!

The WOS issue at the start of this thread, was there any chance the IBA could've made an adjudication on whose course it was?


As I said, I'm pretty sure the IBA didn't (and couldn't) get involved in where various programmes were made etc ?

Auf Wiedersehen Pet wasn't a Tyne Tees production, but ATV/Central's EFP unit shot scenes in Newcastle Cool

There's the other matter that a company such as Border or TSW wouldn't have had sufficient facilities to mount even moderate OBs within their patches, so in such instances, there'd have had to have been out of region OB trucks
Steve Williams2,781 posts since 1 Aug 2008
I seem to remember Central did quite a large chunk of sports programming in the 1990s, in fact there wasn't much Central wasn't doing for the network (or Channel 4 for that matter with ITV Schools) in the late 1980s and 1990s.


The contract for network football coverage changed in 1993, LWT had been in charge since they arrived but in 1993 it was won by Central, hence the rather abrupt change to network coverage in that year with the departure of the likes of Saint and Greavsie and the arrival of the hapless Matthew Lorenzo. But in these cases the individual ITV regions would have a role to play as well. In the case of something like The March, LWT would be responsible for the look of the coverage and hiring the presenters and so on, but there'd probably be a crew and director from the specific region. Indeed I have a Match Annual which had a behind the scenes feature and in one picture you can see technical equipment clearly labelled "THAMES OBs".

I think in the eighties LWT oversaw network football coverage, while Yorkshire did golf and I think Central were responsible for network snooker coverage. And it's been said here before that C4 Racing was initially a Three On Four production, a consortium of Thames, Anglia and Yorkshire.

As I said, I'm pretty sure the IBA didn't (and couldn't) get involved in where various programmes were made etc ?

Auf Wiedersehen Pet wasn't a Tyne Tees production, but ATV/Central's EFP unit shot scenes in Newcastle


Well, indeed, and by that regard it would have meant World in Action wouldn't have been able to do any political coverage as Westminster is in the Thames region, and so on. All the big ITV regions filmed around the UK quite happily. I think the STV example might have been a case of STV expecting to film it, and perhaps previously doing so.

Whether the editor had a list of events and cherrypicked them and then 'commissioned' the lTV company local to that event to park up the scanner for WOS.
Or, something like the daily editorial meeting that Nationwide used to have at 10.30am where the regions would 'offer' a piece/report for inclusion between on that nights show, ITV companies would 'offer' a sporting event for that Saturday's WOS.

Hence, how you got into the 'Thirsk' mess, where WOS/LWT took YTV's offer of racing at Thirsk, but then hit the TTTV juice cable issue on the day of TX.


I don't think the latter would have been the case - something like the racing calendar would have been worked out on a network basis, and via long term planning. There were probably some examples of sports where regions would film them off their own back - for example, the Lada Classic in snooker was originally only shown in Granadaland before being "promoted" to the network - but racing was a high profile sport which would have been managed at network level and the calendar mapped out over the entire year. Like football you had the added complication of sharing the coverage with the BBC.

A lot of stuff would be pooled between the regions anyway because it was too big for one region to do. In one of the IBA Yearbooks they talk about the 1975 European Cup Final at Hampden Park which was an enormous event, so while STV provided the main coverage there were also OB trucks from ATV, LWT and Tyne Tees at the venue to provide additional resources. There's a World of Sport on YouTube from 1985 where there's racing from Newcastle and athletics from Gateshead and Tyne Tees wouldn't have had the resources to cover both using only their facilities.

It's not like this was the first time they'd have shown racing from Thirsk so it's unlikely to have been a basic argument about whose course it was. I don't know what it was but it would seem more likely that Yorkshire were covering it but there was some kind of technical issue and nobody could decide if they should use a Yorkshire or Tyne Tees employee to fix it. Something like that. A lot of these disputes were about the smallest things.
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