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Just how do they work? (November 2010)

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MI
Michael
So, it's a really obvious question - but just HOW do +1 channels work?

I understand the concept of a playout system simply duplicating a schedule of programmes, promos, idents and adverts one hour later; but what about right now on ITV4+1 where a live programme is being repeated second for second? Is it recorded on a hard disc and then played out again? If so where's the join where one recording finishes and the next starts? Is it every hour? Or is the programme recorded and a different (identically timed) set of adverts played out?

Just curious....
WP
WillPS
Think of it as a buffer rather than a recording; where a recording has a start and a finish, a buffer simply stores the video for an hour, where it is then played out (and shortly after deleted).

If you imagine a recording the way a VHS recorder/player worked, then imagine your buffer as 3 'heads', one playing, one 'wiping' and one recording. Between recording and playing, the tape would go around a 1 hour loop.

At a guess, the advert breaks are 'flagged' so the DOG generator can automatically apply and remove the +1 DOG (although I've seen this doesn't happen on Discovery or MTV).
Last edited by WillPS on 4 November 2010 7:13pm
ST
Stuart
WillPS's explanation is accurate, I think.

However, the simplest analogy would be to think of the playout system as the same as your domestic Sky+.... but permenantly playing out after having originally being 'paused' for 1 hour (which is possible under the settings menu).

AFAIK, the repeating Sky Box Office Channels playout under the same method.
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A former member
WillPS's explanation is accurate.

However, the simplest analogy would be to think of the playout system as the same as your domestic Sky+.... but permenantly playing out after having originally being 'paused' for 1 hour (which is possible under the settings menu).

AFAIK, the repeating Sky Box Office Channels playout under the same method.


Also most +1 channels start the play out around 58mins in thus giving it time to wipe around 60min
DA
David
Also most +1 channels start the play out around 58mins in thus giving it time to wipe around 60min


Say again.
WP
WillPS
WillPS's explanation is accurate.

However, the simplest analogy would be to think of the playout system as the same as your domestic Sky+.... but permenantly playing out after having originally being 'paused' for 1 hour (which is possible under the settings menu).

AFAIK, the repeating Sky Box Office Channels playout under the same method.


Also most +1 channels start the play out around 58mins in thus giving it time to wipe around 60min

What you're saying is at ends with what I'm saying; you suggest there are 62 minute long recordings rather than a buffer?

A buffer would not need to stop and start by its very nature.
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A former member
Im not sure now, BUT most plus +1 channels do start before the hour is up, I have seen it
SC
Si-Co
I assume there is a facilty present to over-ride the '+1' feed is something has to be changed or removed (eg. a breaking news story within that hour which would deem the content of an ad or programme inappropriate)? I'm thinking for example the Michael Jackson sketch that was 'cut' on Channel 4 at the time of his death - had the death been announced an hour later could they have prevented this going out on 4+1 even though it had gone out on 4?

How are live 'phone-in' voting shows handled (eg BB Evictions)? I've heard that the standard feed shows the 'voting now closed' caption and this is 'over-laid' on the original transmission - but not sure how accurate that info is.
BE
Ben Founding member
Certainly have seen captions overlaid on +1 channels, either full or part. E4+1 has had a couple of 'edits' in the past to remove inappropriate language/comments from Big Brother's Little Brother in the form of a cut in the sound - presumably this was simple enough.

On one occasion the incorrect episode of Hollyoaks (one that was a few weeks ahead) had been played out so on +1 they managed to play out the correct one. Presumably that required an extra playout stream somewhere.
CH
Chie
As they are one hour behind the main channel and not an hour ahead, +1 channels should be called -1 channels.
MI
Michael
Chie posted:
As they are one hour behind the main channel and not an hour ahead, +1 channels should be called -1 channels.


But the timing of the actual programme is an hour +1 - I.e. a programme on Channel 4 at 9pm is 10pm on C4+1. That's where it comes from.
ST
Stuart
Chie posted:
As they are one hour behind the main channel and not an hour ahead, +1 channels should be called -1 channels.

Having spectacularly lost the debate about the 'Anthropological Benefits of Tat TV', are you embarking on a second crash within 24 hours, Chie? Wink

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