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SW
Steve Williams
London Lite posted:
On the rare occasions I've watched Look Levy, I can see why they use him as a personality who brings the unnatural editorial area together. If you can't get viewers to relate to news stories from Skeggy and Spalding to viewers in Hull, then at least have a personality presenter that they all enjoy.


Well, indeed, and having grown up with the likes of Tony Wilson, Bob Greaves and (a bad name to drop now, I know) Stuart Hall, I don't see what the problem is with having a lively personality presenting the regional news - and of course they're billed as regional news magazines, they were never intended to be a straight half hour bulletin.

I live in London now and, in normal circumstances, there's almost always an entertainment story on BBC London, often a report from a film premiere interviewing big American stars. And BBC London's patch generates a bit more news to fill the programme than Look Hull.
NL
Ne1L C
A unifying figure certainly helps (Paul Frost and Mike Neville spring to mind) but its the underlying format that's the issue. I've always found the notion of "news magazines" to be oxymoronic at worst and ineffective at best. Obviously 30 minutes doesn't give much room for manoeuvre but possibly a clearer split between news and magazine may be possible

Warning: Fantasy Schedule Ahead

6.30 to 6.40 News
6.40 to 6.45 Papers and weather
6.45 to 6.58 local interest

A sting could be used at 6.40

Just a thought
RA
radiolistener
Ne1L C posted:
A unifying figure certainly helps (Paul Frost and Mike Neville spring to mind) but its the underlying format that's the issue. I've always found the notion of "news magazines" to be oxymoronic at worst and ineffective at best. Obviously 30 minutes doesn't give much room for manoeuvre but possibly a clearer split between news and magazine may be possible

Warning: Fantasy Schedule Ahead

6.30 to 6.40 News
6.40 to 6.45 Papers and weather
6.45 to 6.58 local interest

A sting could be used at 6.40

Just a thought


We forget that PL isn't a journalist, he's a presenter.
RA
radiolistener
Ne1L C posted:
Oh I agree. As I said it was one of Greg Dyke’s ideas. At a risk of being accused of slipping into fantasy the only viable alternative would be a pan Yorkshire bulletin with the North Midlands subsumed into BBC Midlands and Lincolnshire added to BBC East (no idea how)


Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and North Norfolk?
RA
radiolistener
Lovely bit of "editorialisation" just now on Look Levy.

"Just look at these idiots".

No Peter, you say, "just look at these people" otherwise it's pure tabloid.

Or Partridge.
RA
radiolistener
London Lite posted:
In an ideal world, Lincs would be served by Look East for the majority of the county, East Midlands Today for the area west of Lincoln bordering Notts and the Hull bulletin for NE Lincs, but thanks to the wonderful way that Belmont serves the whole of Lincs, plus East Yorkshire and North Norfolk, the unnatural affinity editorial area remains.

Like Victoria Derbyshire, Peter Levy has radio style delivery which is Marmite, so I understand where some people would rather have a presenter who delivers in a more traditional television news style, but the average viewer likes him.

On the rare occasions I've watched Look Levy, I can see why they use him as a personality who brings the unnatural editorial area together. If you can't get viewers to relate to news stories from Skeggy and Spalding to viewers in Hull, then at least have a personality presenter that they all enjoy.

It's not great, especially if you live in East Yorks with the lack of Yorkshire wide related news, but Hull has a better news service now that it ever did from Leeds.


You could argue further that Belmont should never have been reallocated to Yorkshire and both the BBC and ITV regions should have remained/joined the East. Lincolnshire has a lot more in common with Cambridgeshire than it does with Yorkshire and always has done.
NL
Ne1L C
radiolistener posted:
Ne1L C posted:
Oh I agree. As I said it was one of Greg Dyke’s ideas. At a risk of being accused of slipping into fantasy the only viable alternative would be a pan Yorkshire bulletin with the North Midlands subsumed into BBC Midlands and Lincolnshire added to BBC East (no idea how)


Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and North Norfolk?


Doesn't BBC East cover South Norfolk and Suffolk too?
radiolistener posted:
Ne1L C posted:
A unifying figure certainly helps (Paul Frost and Mike Neville spring to mind) but its the underlying format that's the issue. I've always found the notion of "news magazines" to be oxymoronic at worst and ineffective at best. Obviously 30 minutes doesn't give much room for manoeuvre but possibly a clearer split between news and magazine may be possible

Warning: Fantasy Schedule Ahead

6.30 to 6.40 News
6.40 to 6.45 Papers and weather
6.45 to 6.58 local interest

A sting could be used at 6.40

Just a thought


We forget that PL isn't a journalist, he's a presenter.


Maybe a 2-headed approach of PL being teamed with a journalist would be better?
FB
Fluffy Bunny Feet
You could argue further that Belmont should never have been reallocated to Yorkshire and both the BBC and ITV regions should have remained/joined the East. Lincolnshire has a lot more in common with Cambridgeshire than it does with Yorkshire and always has done.


I think it depends what part of Lincolnshire you're from - sure there's a large rural population but don't forget there was at one time a huge fishing industry / bus fitting out and still I believe mobile homes.
Am I correct in thinking the original transmitters were located because of the physical geography of an area and not it's county boundaries?
SP
Spencer
radiolistener posted:
London Lite posted:
In an ideal world, Lincs would be served by Look East for the majority of the county, East Midlands Today for the area west of Lincoln bordering Notts and the Hull bulletin for NE Lincs, but thanks to the wonderful way that Belmont serves the whole of Lincs, plus East Yorkshire and North Norfolk, the unnatural affinity editorial area remains.

Like Victoria Derbyshire, Peter Levy has radio style delivery which is Marmite, so I understand where some people would rather have a presenter who delivers in a more traditional television news style, but the average viewer likes him.

On the rare occasions I've watched Look Levy, I can see why they use him as a personality who brings the unnatural editorial area together. If you can't get viewers to relate to news stories from Skeggy and Spalding to viewers in Hull, then at least have a personality presenter that they all enjoy.

It's not great, especially if you live in East Yorks with the lack of Yorkshire wide related news, but Hull has a better news service now that it ever did from Leeds.


You could argue further that Belmont should never have been reallocated to Yorkshire and both the BBC and ITV regions should have remained/joined the East. Lincolnshire has a lot more in common with Cambridgeshire than it does with Yorkshire and always has done.


I simply don’t see a region that includes East Yorkshire and Essex making any sense at all.
MA
Markymark
radiolistener posted:

You could argue further that Belmont should never have been reallocated to Yorkshire and both the BBC and ITV regions should have remained/joined the East. Lincolnshire has a lot more in common with Cambridgeshire than it does with Yorkshire and always has done.


Belmont BBC 1 has always been in their 'North' region. 1965 to 1969, that meant programmes from Manchester !
NL
Ne1L C
Amazing as that sounds it’s true. Transdiffusion has this article (warning mentions Stuart Hall)

https://www.transdiffusion.org/2018/07/04/tonights-bbctv-in-1967-2
MA
Markymark
Ne1L C posted:
Amazing as that sounds it’s true. Transdiffusion has this article (warning mentions Stuart Hall)

https://www.transdiffusion.org/2018/07/04/tonights-bbctv-in-1967-2


Indeed. The BBC North region before 1969 was VHF only, and the main transmitter was Holme Moss, that served both sides of the Pennines. When the ITA built Belmont in 1965, the BBC used it as a relay of Holme Moss because the east coast received bad interference from the continent that spoilt Holme Moss reception. When UHF and colour came along, Winter Hill and Emley were selected, because Holme Moss wouldn't have reached either coast at UHF. This then gave the Beeb the opportunity to split the north in half, and in a 'me too', move opened a service from Leeds, to compete with the newly opened YTV. BBC North at Manchester carried on from Holme Moss on VHF, and Winter Hill on UHF, (and VHF, but that's another story)

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