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RA
radiolistener
Joe posted:
I’m curiously – genuinely – what is so bad about the programme? A sincere question, having never seen it. Can you explain to me?


At the beginning they would find news - that's because of Helen Fospero who is a real journalist - part of the twin heading of it. When she left, it effectively became Peter's radio programme, full of "human interest" stories, pap but news very much a no go area.

"Mabel from Mablethorpe doesn't want to know about robberies, she wants to see Dog Shows." - It's that mentality.
RA
radiolistener
So who else thought the Sunday Politics with Tim Smug in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire was live?

It's not.
NL
Ne1L C
TROGGLES posted:
Joe posted:
I’m curiously – genuinely – what is so bad about the programme? A sincere question, having never seen it. Can you explain to me?

The core of the problem originates with its inception. It isn't a proper area and was created by splitting most of the Yorkshire news area away and creating a non-region but with both areas having the original budget. Hull used to have its own HLRP (head of local regional programming) but Hulls HLRP, Helen Thomas, took over both regions a few years back and now is based in Leeds. Levy is the only thing holding BBC Hull up. The journalistic standards are through the floor and what supports it are the viewing figures. These are fake as the original region isn't split (figures wise) but Levy gets the blue rinse publicity.

The whole 'experiment' has lasted far longer than could have been imagined through a lot of political maneuvering. Once previous news boss James Harding left the situation changed. Also, the Christa debacle and the alleged coercing of staff to use personal service companies by the BBC seems to be coming home to roost. Harry's due to retire soon and there are savings to be made. If Look ULL survives (and it shouldn't) it will be because face-saving & ego massaging are required. But the BBC is good at that so who knows what the future is.


The reference to the "non-region" is apt. The whole East Yorkshire/Lincolnshire situation is one of confusion. I'm sure the good people of Lincolnshire would prefer having their news from a non "yorkie" source. Likewise the good folk of East Yorkshire would rather have their news from Leeds and be treated as equally as the rest of Yorkshire instead of being hived off.
MA
Markymark
Ne1L C posted:
TROGGLES posted:
Joe posted:
I’m curiously – genuinely – what is so bad about the programme? A sincere question, having never seen it. Can you explain to me?

The core of the problem originates with its inception. It isn't a proper area and was created by splitting most of the Yorkshire news area away and creating a non-region but with both areas having the original budget. Hull used to have its own HLRP (head of local regional programming) but Hulls HLRP, Helen Thomas, took over both regions a few years back and now is based in Leeds. Levy is the only thing holding BBC Hull up. The journalistic standards are through the floor and what supports it are the viewing figures. These are fake as the original region isn't split (figures wise) but Levy gets the blue rinse publicity.

The whole 'experiment' has lasted far longer than could have been imagined through a lot of political maneuvering. Once previous news boss James Harding left the situation changed. Also, the Christa debacle and the alleged coercing of staff to use personal service companies by the BBC seems to be coming home to roost. Harry's due to retire soon and there are savings to be made. If Look ULL survives (and it shouldn't) it will be because face-saving & ego massaging are required. But the BBC is good at that so who knows what the future is.


The reference to the "non-region" is apt. The whole East Yorkshire/Lincolnshire situation is one of confusion. I'm sure the good people of Lincolnshire would prefer having their news from a non "yorkie" source. Likewise the good folk of East Yorkshire would rather have their news from Leeds and be treated as equally as the rest of Yorkshire instead of being hived off.


The region is based upon Belmont's service area, not the other way round. Belmont has always been a transmitter serves 'no man's land', like Oxford, and like Oxford it's changed regions a few times in its life.

Probably why these days YTV (in old money) have opted not to give its area a strict demarcation ?
JA
JAS84
You know, I'm surprised they still call it Yorkshire Weather. You'd think it would be changed to Calendar Weather.
Alex Plain-Later posted:
I would advocate scaling the Hull edition back to a partial sub-region à la Look East (Cambridge), and relocating to more modest premises elsewhere in the city.

You do realise that a) it's also home to Radio Humberside, and b) they only occupy the bottom of Queens House, the upper floors are flats?
MA
Markymark
JAS84 posted:
You know, I'm surprised they still call it Yorkshire Weather. You'd think it would be changed to Calendar Weather.
Alex Plain-Later posted:
I would advocate scaling the Hull edition back to a partial sub-region à la Look East (Cambridge), and relocating to more modest premises elsewhere in the city.

You do realise that a) it's also home to Radio Humberside, and b) they only occupy the bottom of Queens House, the upper floors are flats?


Let's hope no one ever leaves their bath running !

(I seem to recall reading of such a comedy moment, at a BT exchange where the upper floors had been sold and converted to flats ?)
SP
Steve in Pudsey
radiolistener posted:
So who else thought the Sunday Politics with Tim Smug in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire was live?

It's not.


Just you I think. Most of these shows are recorded on a Friday afternoon.
TR
TROGGLES
Steve in Pudsey posted:
You're a little out of date there, Helen Thomas is now Director of BBC England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/helen-thomas

I was aware, another classic example of the greasy pole. Being James Harding's right-hand woman was an interesting and successful political move. Laughing
TR
TROGGLES
Markymark posted:
Ne1L C posted:
TROGGLES posted:
The core of the problem originates with its inception. It isn't a proper area and was created by splitting most of the Yorkshire news area away and creating a non-region but with both areas having the original budget. Hull used to have its own HLRP (head of local regional programming) but Hulls HLRP, Helen Thomas, took over both regions a few years back and now is based in Leeds. Levy is the only thing holding BBC Hull up. The journalistic standards are through the floor and what supports it are the viewing figures. These are fake as the original region isn't split (figures wise) but Levy gets the blue rinse publicity.

The whole 'experiment' has lasted far longer than could have been imagined through a lot of political maneuvering. Once previous news boss James Harding left the situation changed. Also, the Christa debacle and the alleged coercing of staff to use personal service companies by the BBC seems to be coming home to roost. Harry's due to retire soon and there are savings to be made. If Look ULL survives (and it shouldn't) it will be because face-saving & ego massaging are required. But the BBC is good at that so who knows what the future is.


The reference to the "non-region" is apt. The whole East Yorkshire/Lincolnshire situation is one of confusion. I'm sure the good people of Lincolnshire would prefer having their news from a non "yorkie" source. Likewise the good folk of East Yorkshire would rather have their news from Leeds and be treated as equally as the rest of Yorkshire instead of being hived off.


The region is based upon Belmont's service area, not the other way round. Belmont has always been a transmitter serves 'no man's land', like Oxford, and like Oxford it's changed regions a few times in its life.

Probably why these days YTV (in old money) have opted not to give its area a strict demarcation ?

The original plan was to have an East Yorkshire/Filey digital programme - the Hull experiment was supposed to produce a way of doing it.
JAS84 posted:
You know, I'm surprised they still call it Yorkshire Weather. You'd think it would be changed to Calendar Weather.
Alex Plain-Later posted:
I would advocate scaling the Hull edition back to a partial sub-region à la Look East (Cambridge), and relocating to more modest premises elsewhere in the city.

You do realise that a) it's also home to Radio Humberside, and b) they only occupy the bottom of Queens House, the upper floors are flats?

Radio Humberside's studios are on the ground floor with reception and a small room which was used as an edit suite, Look ULL/Radio newsroom use the 1st & 2nd floors along with the funny shaped triangular Look ULL studio. Queens court was supposed to have shops on the lower floor but the BBC leased the first three hence the pigs ear set up.
NL
Ne1L C
East Yorkshire/Filey? I'm assuming that there is a transmitter there?
MA
Markymark
Ne1L C posted:
East Yorkshire/Filey? I'm assuming that there is a transmitter there?


Didn't we do all this to death a month ago over in the '26 years since the ITV thread started' thread ?
NL
Ne1L C
Nothing like consistency Very Happy

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