The Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Thread

Humberside tends to conjour up in most people images of mud banks and ULL. When you say East Yorkshire or North Lincolnshire it tends to be thought of of green peaceful countryside - which it is.

Hull City council have always portraid the city as a dump so they can get funding as a deprived area. Trouble was they talked it up so well that people believed it and now find that the media can't be bothered to get the name right & usualy report national doom and gloom stories from the place.

As for Look Levy - tonight should be a good one as Hull City Football club has been taken over by a southern based investment company - expect lots of rudeness about southern softies and Levy out of his league interviewing a businessman who won't quite know what to make of him. Will we be 'throwing it open' to see wether the good citizens of the region - well ULL - think its a good idea? Wonder how many texts and calls they get from Lincolnshire on that one - a 'good response' no doubt

Well i still maintain it was the county that ruined it for the use of Humberside. People I have spoken to from Middlesbrough (more Yorkshire folk!) and Stockton are happy to refer to themselves as living on Teesside. Now if they had chose Teesside instead of Cleveland as the name of the county i bet that would not be the case today.

To be fair Humberside county council was very good at providing services. The roads & services were much better under the Humberside admisistration. The name was universally disliked. That is why the two borough councils changed their name to include East Yorkshire & why Humberside spent so much money having to replace signage. No sooner than a sign was replaced it would be painted out or shot at. The county sign north of Octon on the wolds was always full of shotgun holes & the sign at Kexby Bridge was always painted over. Humberside tried to appease the residents in the early 90's by putting up Historic East Riding signs but it was too late by then.

You can't just take away peoples heritage and pretend that Yorkshire & Lincolnshire does not exist. Its a lesson that should be learned by BBC ULL - the region won't work.

[quote="norwichUK"]Interesting idea. I notice that Sheffiled is on Small Hudson's map too! I think it would be better for LNH to drop its de facto coverage of north Norfolk, and include north Nottinghamshire-- Mansfield-Newark northwards as of Calendar South (strangely lots of people in Notts watch his Levyness !).

Fair point. I geuinely don't know how well Look East covers that part of Norfolk-- if would be gratefully enlightened?!!

The point is that LNH doesn't really cover north/west Norfolk editorially, that's one of the main gripes about LNH you see. I'm sure if Calendar can can nick stories about Norfolk form Anglia News, then I'm sure LNH can do the same with LE.

The only reason that Humberside was created, was to fund a certain bridge-- so it was wholly artificial!!

Ironically when the plans for a new county around the Tees Estuary were drawn up in late 1960s (Maude-Radcliffe report), it was originally going to be called Teesside after an existing gov area. However the new county would occupy a far wider area than Teesside Urban District, and it was felt that it would represent a "takeover" of the surrounding area by Teesside.

Therefore the "neutral" name Cleveland was chosen instead by Heath's government in 1972, named after the nearby range of hills. I thought it was interesting that they scrapped the county geographically in 1996; I thought they might just get rid of the county council but keep Cleveland on as a ceremonial/geographic county (confer Berkshire).

Given the identity that people have with the area, it just seems strange that they split it up between Co Durham and N Yorks again geographically/ceremonially-- I didn't think Cleveland was unpopular like Humberside or Avon?

Short-sighted too considering the set-up of the Tees Valley subregion, which consists of the former Cleveland borough (plus Darlington)! I thought Teesside had fallen out use in favour of Tees Valley?

Then there's the strange anomaly of having a tiny part of N Yorks in the North-East region, when the rest of it is in Yorks & Humber. Rather like having northern Lincolnshire lumped with the rest of Yorkshire, all because of a certain bridge! Blimey I've come full circle

Its not a matter of how well they cover the area (LE do do stories from this part of Norfolk) but more a matter that people living in much of North and West Norfolk can't receive Look East! Their only option is Belmont.



Tees Valley is just a name invented by marketeers to rebrand airports and the like and not used by locals.



It could be argued the other way around - that the bridge was built to justifty the county!



Not the only ceremonial county split between 2 regions (see Lincs!) And lets not get started on all those bits of Yorkshire in the North West region

I've been thinking... (careful!)

The only reason we have geographically bizarre telly regions (e.g. "Yorks/Lincs/N midlands/N Norfolk", etc) is because we're at the mercy of transmitters, which in turn are at the mercy of natural geography (e.g. the Peak District preventing northern Derbyshire from getting an East Midlands transmitter signal, hence it's lumped in with Yorkshire).

But satellite and cable telly do regions by postcode, don't they? So, there's nothing to stop them being geographically sensible.

It's only terrestrial telly that need be stuck with the current daft regions.

I understand that cable/satellite viewers in northern Gloucestershire already get Points West, not Midlands Today. I presume that Points West acknowledge this, by editorially including N Gloucs news stories (?).

Giving two neighbouring telly regions an editorial overlap zone, so that at least some viewers (i.e. the cable/satellite ones) can be in geographically sensible regions seems like a good move to me. There may even be a day in the future when "transmitters & aeriels" telly (i.e. "terrestrial" telly) is phased out and consigned to history, just like is happening to analogue at the moment.

With all this in mind, surely N Norfolk on cable/satellite could officially and editorially become part of Look East land? And any other odd bits of counties that are currently lumped in with regions that they don't naturally belong to, could all also be similarly amended on cable/satellite? No?

Whilst I agree with all of the above when it comes down to it, it is content & a matter of 'local' reporting. In the case of the BBC, area management politics come into play. HLRP's don't like to share resources particularly and run their regions as little empires. When it comes to North Norfolk neither the BBC in Hull, or Lincoln can really be bothered to send someone that far down & its also a fair trek up for Norwich. Leeds tend to report on the Scarborough & Bridlington area (including Wetwang) which is borderline. Ironically the west side of East Yorkshire gets its news from Emley Moor.

As far as cultural region concerned East Yorkshire would benefit from being served the Yorkshire region & Lincolnshire from elsewhere. East Yorkshire is on the fringes of the belmont signal. Come the digital switchover they are going to have to bump up the signal substantialy or build a relay on the wolds which could hopefully be switched to the Leeds output. This would leave BBC ULL to produce news for ULL which it mostly does anyway.

When BBC ULL was created the Scarborough transmitter relayed ULL content but after a deluge of complaints it was switched to Leeds within a month.

Its time the BBC accept they wasted millions, built the regional HQ in the wrong place and created a non region which cannot be justified.

You not bored of repeating yourself over and over like a broken record?

Anyone would thing you bore a grudge...

Must be the influence of rolling news

Alan Johnson's on again tonight. Less than two weeks since last time.

OOh there's my picture on the telly!! (not of me, by the way, of a fire on Lincoln High Street)

It looks like the sponsor on ITV Yorkshire weather has expired

Until they get a new sponsor, they should get rid of the 'Weather' stings and do the weather on Calendar like they do on the BBC. Do the weather chat/banter and then link straight into the forecast proper without seperating the two .