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Square Eyes
Founding member
I wouldn't say there is no news in the region, but there is no journalism in Look North. They prefer to crusade on emotive issues (kids play area tonight) and for Peter to get angry with a council man, with the usual appeal to "let us know what you think on this one" so that they can pad by giving out the e-mail / phone numbers a few more times.
The proper news of the day was wrapped up in about 1 minute.
Tonight, sport consisted of a report on the Hull KR vs Hull FC rugby (because it was an all Hull affair), but no mention again of the football. They'd sooner appeal to the real target audience, the blue rinsers, hence the stories on Goole Operatic Society, and victorian baths.
The proper news of the day was wrapped up in about 1 minute.
Tonight, sport consisted of a report on the Hull KR vs Hull FC rugby (because it was an all Hull affair), but no mention again of the football. They'd sooner appeal to the real target audience, the blue rinsers, hence the stories on Goole Operatic Society, and victorian baths.
ST
Peter needs a sidekick (ie Claire Frisby) to move the programme along more..... (or perhaps veteran presenter Carol Bundock could be seconded from Look East....) take a look at BBC Midlands Today (with Nick and Anne) or the lovely longserving Kay Alexander to see how a programme should be done (or Reporting Scotland...)
AN
Andrew
Founding member
Talking about Clare Frisby, it seems they only let her out of Breakfast on Bank Holidays
She did Lunchtime Look North on Good Friday and Easter Monday
Meanwhile on Calendar, and I think Christine had had a few before she went on air tonight
Did anyone else watch any of the programmes from the West of the region?
She did Lunchtime Look North on Good Friday and Easter Monday
Meanwhile on Calendar, and I think Christine had had a few before she went on air tonight
Did anyone else watch any of the programmes from the West of the region?
RM
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was a parody of itself tonight. All classic Levyisms were present: "Strong words there", "it's not good enough is it" (to his beloved council officials of course).
Of course his Levyness doesn't need a sidekick, when he has Paul Hudson. PH: "We should abseil the Grimsby Dock Tower together Peter". PL: "We should leave you up there". PH: "Ho ho <forced laughter, you're comic genius Peter not >"
I know of a perfect female foil for Uncle Peter, the lovely Anne Davies (who has thankfully been absent from BBC EMT this week
)-- that would be a pair made in heaven 
Speaking of BBC EMT, one LNH's few stories south of the Humber was pinched from BBC EMT (that one about Grantham)
That's another £2.60 saved then!
Of course his Levyness doesn't need a sidekick, when he has Paul Hudson. PH: "We should abseil the Grimsby Dock Tower together Peter". PL: "We should leave you up there". PH: "Ho ho <forced laughter, you're comic genius Peter not >"
I know of a perfect female foil for Uncle Peter, the lovely Anne Davies (who has thankfully been absent from BBC EMT this week
)-- that would be a pair made in heaven
Speaking of BBC EMT, one LNH's few stories south of the Humber was pinched from BBC EMT (that one about Grantham)
That's another £2.60 saved then!
TR
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I hope you get a reply though I would not hold my breath. The policy is to ignore critisism unless it breaks producers guidelines.
What happens in Hull is an interesting example of how the BBC works - or doesn't work depending on your point of view.
The management have their head in the sand over the situation now for a considerable time. At first they insisted that Tech ops from Radio Humberside were trained in journalism and that Levy is a trained journalist. They wern't and he isnt. They have quietly moved all but one tech op from frontline presenting after complaints.
Levy has no journaistic training or experience. He is a radio presenter and it shows, the response is always that he has considerable experience(they don't say in what).
Levy openly does not like news and insists that viewers prefer his style to any news substance. It has been a constant battle which he won after the deprture of Ms Fospero. The excuse for no replacement was that the money saved by not having 2 presenters could be invested in hiring a journalist in Lincoln. This was despite all the audience research showing that a double headed programme was prefered. As previously mentioned, editors who tried to change the programme did not last long. One in particular was out of the door rather fast. What actually happened to them remains shrouded in the mists of contractual confidentiality.
The regional viewing figures are high and it is unlikely that nothing will change until they do. They know the region does not work and the south of the region has nothing in common with the north. The policy was, and is, that so long as there were equal complaints form the North & South of the river everything was fine.
The new management has decided that Look North should 'follow the news' Since almost all the resources are based in Hull then the news happens in Hull and therefore you have a heavily biased news programme. They know full well that there will be complaints and it will enable them to return to the original format pretty quickly.
There is very little chance that the region will be merged again. The BBC operates in little Kingdoms and one region head is very protective of their area.Hull & Leeds are forced to work closer than most because of the technical restrictions of the Opt and Hull is really only half a region - it has only just got its own political editor. To create Hull, Leeds has to be understaffed to pay for it and that leads to joint politics shows etc.
The whole thing is a mess and needs a clean sweep but unless Levy does something stupid there is no one with the guts to do it.
If anyone really wants to cause a fuss then an number of emails to the central complaints unit will set off a large investigation - the more they get the better the inquiry. Any complaint must be about a specific matter and you will need to give accurate examples.
I hope you get a reply though I would not hold my breath. The policy is to ignore critisism unless it breaks producers guidelines.
What happens in Hull is an interesting example of how the BBC works - or doesn't work depending on your point of view.
The management have their head in the sand over the situation now for a considerable time. At first they insisted that Tech ops from Radio Humberside were trained in journalism and that Levy is a trained journalist. They wern't and he isnt. They have quietly moved all but one tech op from frontline presenting after complaints.
Levy has no journaistic training or experience. He is a radio presenter and it shows, the response is always that he has considerable experience(they don't say in what).
Levy openly does not like news and insists that viewers prefer his style to any news substance. It has been a constant battle which he won after the deprture of Ms Fospero. The excuse for no replacement was that the money saved by not having 2 presenters could be invested in hiring a journalist in Lincoln. This was despite all the audience research showing that a double headed programme was prefered. As previously mentioned, editors who tried to change the programme did not last long. One in particular was out of the door rather fast. What actually happened to them remains shrouded in the mists of contractual confidentiality.
The regional viewing figures are high and it is unlikely that nothing will change until they do. They know the region does not work and the south of the region has nothing in common with the north. The policy was, and is, that so long as there were equal complaints form the North & South of the river everything was fine.
The new management has decided that Look North should 'follow the news' Since almost all the resources are based in Hull then the news happens in Hull and therefore you have a heavily biased news programme. They know full well that there will be complaints and it will enable them to return to the original format pretty quickly.
There is very little chance that the region will be merged again. The BBC operates in little Kingdoms and one region head is very protective of their area.Hull & Leeds are forced to work closer than most because of the technical restrictions of the Opt and Hull is really only half a region - it has only just got its own political editor. To create Hull, Leeds has to be understaffed to pay for it and that leads to joint politics shows etc.
The whole thing is a mess and needs a clean sweep but unless Levy does something stupid there is no one with the guts to do it.
If anyone really wants to cause a fuss then an number of emails to the central complaints unit will set off a large investigation - the more they get the better the inquiry. Any complaint must be about a specific matter and you will need to give accurate examples.
TV
i know we all snigger at the partridge-esque style of the show. however, do you not think suggesting escalating the complaints above the producers is necessary?
tvmercia
Founding member
TROGGLES posted:
If anyone really wants to cause a fuss then an number of emails to the central complaints unit will set off a large investigation - the more they get the better the inquiry. Any complaint must be about a specific matter and you will need to give accurate examples.
i know we all snigger at the partridge-esque style of the show. however, do you not think suggesting escalating the complaints above the producers is necessary?
TR
i know we all snigger at the partridge-esque style of the show. however, do you not think suggesting escalating the complaints above the producers is necessary?
It is all down to the individual and whether or not the licence payer is prepared to put up with this output.
In my view BBC Hull is a very expensive mistake. £24 million on buildings and equipment alone never mind the high salaries Levy & senior management are paid. The return in terms of output is pretty poor.
If no one stands up to be counted then there is no point in moaning about how bad the programmes are.
Apathy is how they get away with it.
tvmercia posted:
TROGGLES posted:
If anyone really wants to cause a fuss then an number of emails to the central complaints unit will set off a large investigation - the more they get the better the inquiry. Any complaint must be about a specific matter and you will need to give accurate examples.
i know we all snigger at the partridge-esque style of the show. however, do you not think suggesting escalating the complaints above the producers is necessary?
It is all down to the individual and whether or not the licence payer is prepared to put up with this output.
In my view BBC Hull is a very expensive mistake. £24 million on buildings and equipment alone never mind the high salaries Levy & senior management are paid. The return in terms of output is pretty poor.
If no one stands up to be counted then there is no point in moaning about how bad the programmes are.
Apathy is how they get away with it.
MU
I wouldn't want to see the two regions merged again, and I'm reluctant to bash people who are only trying to do their jobs in the face of financial pressure and whatever other pressures there are that may or may not come from Levy.
I've always liked the Levy-Hudson banter, going back to the Leeds lunchtime days, but it's pretty tired now. It seems more forced than it used to. I don't see a solution in the present format, though. Levy's interviews are also cringeworthy and usually pointless because they reveal nothing.
In fairness, at least the amount of celebrity fluff has been reduced. Linda Barker isn't on every week any more. Maybe they've run out of people to interview, I don't know. There does seem more news than there was, which is a good thing, but there are a lot of consumer/local "interest" stories as well. You'd expect that from a local news programme but the balance isn't quite right yet. And the lack of sports coverage is still appalling.
The programme needs a shake-up but I don't think merging the regions would serve anyone better. I'd like to see a co-presenter introduced, although realistically from what's been said here I can't see it happening. My suggestion for the summer would be to send Levy out on OB doing fluffy stuff in nice weather, leaving Caroline Davis or Hannah Moffat doing proper news for 10+ minutes in the studio. Surely someone at Look North could pick it up as a way of connecting with audiences, covering the whole region? Relies on them finding money for the bridge tolls, of course.
I've always liked the Levy-Hudson banter, going back to the Leeds lunchtime days, but it's pretty tired now. It seems more forced than it used to. I don't see a solution in the present format, though. Levy's interviews are also cringeworthy and usually pointless because they reveal nothing.
In fairness, at least the amount of celebrity fluff has been reduced. Linda Barker isn't on every week any more. Maybe they've run out of people to interview, I don't know. There does seem more news than there was, which is a good thing, but there are a lot of consumer/local "interest" stories as well. You'd expect that from a local news programme but the balance isn't quite right yet. And the lack of sports coverage is still appalling.
The programme needs a shake-up but I don't think merging the regions would serve anyone better. I'd like to see a co-presenter introduced, although realistically from what's been said here I can't see it happening. My suggestion for the summer would be to send Levy out on OB doing fluffy stuff in nice weather, leaving Caroline Davis or Hannah Moffat doing proper news for 10+ minutes in the studio. Surely someone at Look North could pick it up as a way of connecting with audiences, covering the whole region? Relies on them finding money for the bridge tolls, of course.
TV
i know we all snigger at the partridge-esque style of the show. however, do you not think suggesting escalating the complaints above the producers is necessary?
It is all down to the individual and whether or not the licence payer is prepared to put up with this output.
In my view BBC Hull is a very expensive mistake. £24 million on buildings and equipment alone never mind the high salaries Levy & senior management are paid. The return in terms of output is pretty poor.
If no one stands up to be counted then there is no point in moaning about how bad the programmes are.
Apathy is how they get away with it.
but it is very much down to personal preference. you may not like the content, you might not like the presenter - but the viewing figures suggest that there are a sizable number who do.
by all means vent your anger and debate the wrongs of the programme on here - but i can't see what justification there would be for serious complaints to be lodged.
tvmercia
Founding member
TROGGLES posted:
tvmercia posted:
TROGGLES posted:
If anyone really wants to cause a fuss then an number of emails to the central complaints unit will set off a large investigation - the more they get the better the inquiry. Any complaint must be about a specific matter and you will need to give accurate examples.
i know we all snigger at the partridge-esque style of the show. however, do you not think suggesting escalating the complaints above the producers is necessary?
It is all down to the individual and whether or not the licence payer is prepared to put up with this output.
In my view BBC Hull is a very expensive mistake. £24 million on buildings and equipment alone never mind the high salaries Levy & senior management are paid. The return in terms of output is pretty poor.
If no one stands up to be counted then there is no point in moaning about how bad the programmes are.
Apathy is how they get away with it.
but it is very much down to personal preference. you may not like the content, you might not like the presenter - but the viewing figures suggest that there are a sizable number who do.
by all means vent your anger and debate the wrongs of the programme on here - but i can't see what justification there would be for serious complaints to be lodged.
AN
I've always liked the Levy-Hudson banter, going back to the Leeds lunchtime days, but it's pretty tired now. It seems more forced than it used to. I don't see a solution in the present format, though. Levy's interviews are also cringeworthy and usually pointless because they reveal nothing.
The banter has always been forced on the Hull programme
On Leeds lunchtimes it naturally evolved at the end of the programme, On Hull, it's billed in the running order in the middle of the programme
By the way, has anybody read one of the 'Levy Letters' thesedays. They are awful
Andrew
Founding member
mullet posted:
I've always liked the Levy-Hudson banter, going back to the Leeds lunchtime days, but it's pretty tired now. It seems more forced than it used to. I don't see a solution in the present format, though. Levy's interviews are also cringeworthy and usually pointless because they reveal nothing.
The banter has always been forced on the Hull programme
On Leeds lunchtimes it naturally evolved at the end of the programme, On Hull, it's billed in the running order in the middle of the programme
By the way, has anybody read one of the 'Levy Letters' thesedays. They are awful