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SP
Steve in Pudsey
Andrew posted:
Radio 1 are coming live from Bradford's National Media Museum on Saturday for "Radio 1's Big Movie weekend".
Whilst Saturday's programming is probably going to be an OB from the cinema, there's a possibility that maybe the weekend DJs (Reggie Yates, Vernon Kay and Sara Cox) will end up doing their Sunday shows from Radio Leeds's studio?


Good question, as a lot of Radio Leeds's output comes from Bradford over the weekend.
TR
TROGGLES
Work of Artifice posted:
TROGGLES posted:
They don't need a £24 million edifice to pump out the rubbish they do. Unless they need it to house the blue rinses favourites' ego Confused . Maybe thats why the revolving door has been broken for so long.
Close the place down and spend the money on proper programming Twisted Evil


Laughing

£24million? Shocked I didn't realise just how expensive the building was! Confused Is it an "exclusively BBC" building, or is it a multi-purpose building that the BBC only use a bit of (like the Mailbox in Brum, the Forum in Norwich, etc).

If "multi-purpose", did the BBC themselves actually pay for its erection (no innuendo intended)? Or was it "being built anyway", e.g. by a developer etc (again, like the Mailbox)?

If the former, then what a bloody waste of Licence Fee money! Evil or Very Mad

One thing that would possibly improve a service that's *supposed to* also be Linconshire and North Norfolk would maybe be to have it based more centrally (e.g. Lincoln). But, they've backed themselves into a corner now. - i.e. they couldn't very well move out of a building that's only a few short years old, and cost a small fortune to build. The whole BBC Hull situation is rather a sorry mess.


To clear matters up with a bit of background detail.
The BBC Hull building came about during the last years of Colin Philpotts' reign as the regions HLRP. So the story goes Uncle Greg was allegedly a friend of the then CEO of Kingston communications and they came up with the concept of this experimental region which would be a trial into the unknown.
KC's KIT (Kingston Interactive Tv) was the perfect tool to trial local tv pilots and local interactive and do it reasonably quietly. This was long before the midlands pilot.
Radio Bumbleside needed new premises as the lease was expiring. This together with the mad cap idea theat the BBC should provide 'open centres' ended up creating BBC Queenies Gardens. The project cost £24-£26 million depending on which report you believe. A susbstantial amount of money was spent on the computer systems to drive the KIT delivery systems and are now redundant. The Building is owned by a landlord and leased to the BBC. It is not purpose built as a broadcast centre but an office & apartment block into which everything had to be fitted. The BBC occupy three floors on the western side of the building. Further sums were spent on interior design to make it 'not look or feel like a BBC building' . Large yellow and orange plastic arrangements adorn all floors along with lots of corrugated iron office dividers. All the areas are named after places in Hull, The Deep etc. There is also large amounts of lime green and tangerine emulsioned walls. The very expensive carpet has already had to be replaced.
The actual region is so geographically and culturally 'wrong' it can never work. The Broadcast area ranges from Bridlington in the East Riding to Hunstanton in north Norfolk. People in the East Riding are cut off from news from the rest of Yorkshire. Lincolnshire folk have to put up with endless stories about Hull and the poor folk of Norfolk obviously don't own TV's if you judge by coverage in the area.
So much money was spent on the building and infrastructure that very little was available for staffing in either Hull or Leeds. This meant that Leeds had to lose staff - and still has to lose a few more & aside from the tranfered staff from Leeds very few people could be recruited nationally as they didn't want to work in Hull.
Almost three years later and the mess still exists. No money for decent presentation or journalistic practice which is compensated for by inane prattle.
This is what we do! Wink
SP
Spencer
Was it an owl jumper moment?
FB
Fluffy Bunny Feet
TROGGLES posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
TROGGLES posted:
They don't need a £24 million edifice to pump out the rubbish they do. Unless they need it to house the blue rinses favourites' ego Confused . Maybe thats why the revolving door has been broken for so long.
Close the place down and spend the money on proper programming Twisted Evil


Laughing

£24million? Shocked I didn't realise just how expensive the building was! Confused Is it an "exclusively BBC" building, or is it a multi-purpose building that the BBC only use a bit of (like the Mailbox in Brum, the Forum in Norwich, etc).

If "multi-purpose", did the BBC themselves actually pay for its erection (no innuendo intended)? Or was it "being built anyway", e.g. by a developer etc (again, like the Mailbox)?

If the former, then what a bloody waste of Licence Fee money! Evil or Very Mad

One thing that would possibly improve a service that's *supposed to* also be Linconshire and North Norfolk would maybe be to have it based more centrally (e.g. Lincoln). But, they've backed themselves into a corner now. - i.e. they couldn't very well move out of a building that's only a few short years old, and cost a small fortune to build. The whole BBC Hull situation is rather a sorry mess.


To clear matters up with a bit of background detail.
The BBC Hull building came about during the last years of Colin Philpotts' reign as the regions HLRP. So the story goes Uncle Greg was allegedly a friend of the then CEO of Kingston communications and they came up with the concept of this experimental region which would be a trial into the unknown.
KC's KIT (Kingston Interactive Tv) was the perfect tool to trial local tv pilots and local interactive and do it reasonably quietly. This was long before the midlands pilot.
Radio Bumbleside needed new premises as the lease was expiring. This together with the mad cap idea theat the BBC should provide 'open centres' ended up creating BBC Queenies Gardens. The project cost £24-£26 million depending on which report you believe. A susbstantial amount of money was spent on the computer systems to drive the KIT delivery systems and are now redundant. The Building is owned by a landlord and leased to the BBC. It is not purpose built as a broadcast centre but an office & apartment block into which everything had to be fitted. The BBC occupy three floors on the western side of the building. Further sums were spent on interior design to make it 'not look or feel like a BBC building' . Large yellow and orange plastic arrangements adorn all floors along with lots of corrugated iron office dividers. All the areas are named after places in Hull, The Deep etc. There is also large amounts of lime green and tangerine emulsioned walls. The very expensive carpet has already had to be replaced.
The actual region is so geographically and culturally 'wrong' it can never work. The Broadcast area ranges from Bridlington in the East Riding to Hunstanton in north Norfolk. People in the East Riding are cut off from news from the rest of Yorkshire. Lincolnshire folk have to put up with endless stories about Hull and the poor folk of Norfolk obviously don't own TV's if you judge by coverage in the area.
So much money was spent on the building and infrastructure that very little was available for staffing in either Hull or Leeds. This meant that Leeds had to lose staff - and still has to lose a few more & aside from the tranfered staff from Leeds very few people could be recruited nationally as they didn't want to work in Hull.
Almost three years later and the mess still exists. No money for decent presentation or journalistic practice which is compensated for by inane prattle.
This is what we do! Wink


In fact Calendar started off with KIT. Staff did extended versions of Calendar stories and some sort of roundup each day. It got hardly any viewers so when the contract ended KC took the contract away. It's a good case I think of "Acacia Avenue" TV - it could never punch above it's weight, never do "lives" or bang up to date reports and in terms of pounds per viewer was very expensive. Watching a news report nearly 24hrs old is just not interesting. I can't see KIT now but maybe LNHull is throwing more resources at it - but then does that not compete with LNHull? It's a strange world indeed in TVland.
TR
TROGGLES
Fluffy Bunny Feet posted:
TROGGLES posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
TROGGLES posted:
They don't need a £24 million edifice to pump out the rubbish they do. Unless they need it to house the blue rinses favourites' ego Confused . Maybe thats why the revolving door has been broken for so long.
Close the place down and spend the money on proper programming Twisted Evil


Laughing

£24million? Shocked I didn't realise just how expensive the building was! Confused Is it an "exclusively BBC" building, or is it a multi-purpose building that the BBC only use a bit of (like the Mailbox in Brum, the Forum in Norwich, etc).

If "multi-purpose", did the BBC themselves actually pay for its erection (no innuendo intended)? Or was it "being built anyway", e.g. by a developer etc (again, like the Mailbox)?

If the former, then what a bloody waste of Licence Fee money! Evil or Very Mad

One thing that would possibly improve a service that's *supposed to* also be Linconshire and North Norfolk would maybe be to have it based more centrally (e.g. Lincoln). But, they've backed themselves into a corner now. - i.e. they couldn't very well move out of a building that's only a few short years old, and cost a small fortune to build. The whole BBC Hull situation is rather a sorry mess.


To clear matters up with a bit of background detail.
The BBC Hull building came about during the last years of Colin Philpotts' reign as the regions HLRP. So the story goes Uncle Greg was allegedly a friend of the then CEO of Kingston communications and they came up with the concept of this experimental region which would be a trial into the unknown.
KC's KIT (Kingston Interactive Tv) was the perfect tool to trial local tv pilots and local interactive and do it reasonably quietly. This was long before the midlands pilot.
Radio Bumbleside needed new premises as the lease was expiring. This together with the mad cap idea theat the BBC should provide 'open centres' ended up creating BBC Queenies Gardens. The project cost £24-£26 million depending on which report you believe. A susbstantial amount of money was spent on the computer systems to drive the KIT delivery systems and are now redundant. The Building is owned by a landlord and leased to the BBC. It is not purpose built as a broadcast centre but an office & apartment block into which everything had to be fitted. The BBC occupy three floors on the western side of the building. Further sums were spent on interior design to make it 'not look or feel like a BBC building' . Large yellow and orange plastic arrangements adorn all floors along with lots of corrugated iron office dividers. All the areas are named after places in Hull, The Deep etc. There is also large amounts of lime green and tangerine emulsioned walls. The very expensive carpet has already had to be replaced.
The actual region is so geographically and culturally 'wrong' it can never work. The Broadcast area ranges from Bridlington in the East Riding to Hunstanton in north Norfolk. People in the East Riding are cut off from news from the rest of Yorkshire. Lincolnshire folk have to put up with endless stories about Hull and the poor folk of Norfolk obviously don't own TV's if you judge by coverage in the area.
So much money was spent on the building and infrastructure that very little was available for staffing in either Hull or Leeds. This meant that Leeds had to lose staff - and still has to lose a few more & aside from the tranfered staff from Leeds very few people could be recruited nationally as they didn't want to work in Hull.
Almost three years later and the mess still exists. No money for decent presentation or journalistic practice which is compensated for by inane prattle.
This is what we do! Wink


In fact Calendar started off with KIT. Staff did extended versions of Calendar stories and some sort of roundup each day. It got hardly any viewers so when the contract ended KC took the contract away. It's a good case I think of "Acacia Avenue" TV - it could never punch above it's weight, never do "lives" or bang up to date reports and in terms of pounds per viewer was very expensive. Watching a news report nearly 24hrs old is just not interesting. I can't see KIT now but maybe LNHull is throwing more resources at it - but then does that not compete with LNHull? It's a strange world indeed in TVland.

KIT closed last year. It never worked properly unless you lived next to the exchange. Lots of wasted effort and BBC money invested in content that no one much bothered with.
BS
brotherton sands
So, what exactly is/was "KIT"? Basically a local cable TV channel or something?

Given the nature of how the BBC works (licence fee funded, and all that), surely they're actually not allowed (legally etc?) or something, to even embark upon such activities as whatever this arrangement with (non-BBC company) KIT is/was, in the first place??

So, how could the whole thing have even come about?
TR
TROGGLES
Work of Artifice posted:
So, what exactly is/was "KIT"? Basically a local cable TV channel or something?

Given the nature of how the BBC works (licence fee funded, and all that), surely they're actually not allowed (legally etc?) or something, to even embark upon such activities as whatever this arrangement with (non-BBC company) KIT is/was, in the first place??

So, how could the whole thing have even come about?


KIT was supposed to be the next generation of interactive TV. Hull had a supposedly good cable system in place. In fact Hull in the 50's 60's had the Rediffusion system in place which was advanced for its time.

KIT never really lived up to expectations because of reliability problems. The BBC trialed content including a local soap opera, locally written and produced however once again it was symptomatic of the London based thinking that Hull was representitave of the whole region. The East Riding,some of which could recieve the BBC HULLi service switched off & Lincolnshire & North Norfolk were irrelevant to it. Production values were pretty awful as once again all the money went on technology and nothing on content. The local news was available for a while on the BBC Humber site but that was if someone had the time to do it. Usually it cosisted of Levy or the cleaner (who was arguably better) reading the news sat on a desk in the news hub.

The confusion continues to this day at the BBC who think that Humberside still exists and even the backdrop to the national studio says BBC Hull. The whole thing is a very sorry and expensive mess. Supposedly with the new service licences in place this sort of thing can't happen again Shocked
BS
brotherton sands
Things would probably be a lot better if they just reverted back to Look North (Leeds) covering the whole "Yorks & Lincs" region, with the Belmont-transmitter region getting just a ten-minute opt-out during the 18:30 programme, and a stand-alone 22:25 bulletin only, as was the case a few years ago.
AN
Andrew Founding member
This is an interesting one...

YTV Calendar sports presenter (and Weekend news presenter) Jason McCartney will fight the Colne Valley constituency for the Conservatives at the next General Election.

He beat teacher Ben Jeffreys at a packed open primary meeting at the Pennine Manor Hotel in Scapegoat Hill last night.

Well over 100 party members and voters quizzed both candidates before a ballot.

Mr McCartney was an RAF officer for nine years before joining Yorkshire Television in 1998.

He is a Huddersfield Town fan and says his proudest broadcasting moment was being at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium when Town beat Mansfield on penalties in the play-off final three years ago.

Mr McCartney's parents live in the Holme Valley. Colne Valley is held by Labour's Kali Mountford, with a majority of 1,501.


This will mean if he wins (which is likely how far does Peter Snow's swingometer need to swing to cover a majority of just 1,501?) he'll obviously have to leave Calendar and follow in Austin Mitchell's footsteps
CO
Colm
Well done Christa Ackroyd on putting that idiot Sheffield magistrate who she interviewed tonight right in his place...
SP
Spencer
Andrew posted:
Mr McCartney was an RAF officer for nine years before joining Yorkshire Television in 1998.


Really, I thought he was a reporter for Radio Cleveland before he joined YTV?

And of course he'll no longer be allowed to appear on Calendar from the moment an election is called due to the Representation Of The People Act (or whatever they call it these days).
WE
Westy2
Spencer For Hire posted:
Andrew posted:
Mr McCartney was an RAF officer for nine years before joining Yorkshire Television in 1998.


Really, I thought he was a reporter for Radio Cleveland before he joined YTV?

And of course he'll no longer be allowed to appear on Calendar from the moment an election is called due to the Representation Of The People Act (or whatever they call it these days).


Slightly off topic, but how does that affect any known political figure that broadcasts TV or radio?

If said political figure is standing in the election, does that they can't broadcast?

(I'm hoping this gives us a break from that a**e Galloway on Talksport!)

What about Portillo on 'This Week'? He's no longer an MP, but known to be a Tory supporter!

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