The Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Thread

So, the official internal names of the two new Calendar sub-regions are indeed North & South, not East & West!

Seeing as the description of the South programme's patch only mentions "The Humber" (as opposed to the whole East Riding), ITV have obviously been more realistic than the BBC about the fact that different parts of the East Riding get Emley or Belmont signals, rather than insisting that the whole East Riding must officially be in just one region/sub-region.

But, the description of the North programme's coverage area doesn't mention the East Riding either!

Is the whole of the former "Calendar South" area in the "new South" area, or split between both of the new sub-regions? If it's the latter, then presumably the Sheffield ITV facility supplies news to both new sub-regions?

Or has the Sheffield office gone, leaving each sub-region with just one newsgathering centre (and the Calendar region as a whole with just two ITV buildings)???

I think I shall email YTV with these very questions, I may just get a reply

Well answering one of your questions, tonight's story about the Sheffield school with Raj Shukla reporting is leading both programmes

Did Calendar East have the same opening titles are yesterday tonight? In the North/West we had the old ones from last week back

did you see calendar west using the old titles

Some points about the relaunched Calendar.

When I use to live in Sheffield, depending in which part of the city you were in, you could get all three sub districts of Calendar - so the split using both areas to distribute news about Sheffield is a good idea, but by using Sheffield as a backdrop for the 'East' version appears wrong - Sheffielders just don't have any affinity with Lincolnshire or Hull.

I have watched the West version for two nights now, and both editions contained a number of stories about Sheffield so, obviously, YTV realises that the split could never work perfectly.

A comment for Andrew siad that Sheffield people always though YTV was very biased to Leeds - personally, I never got that impression, however, most people I know call Look North "Look Leeds", and feel the BBC rarely gets out of the city boundaries.

And a quick geography note, Sheffield always has, and always will be bigger tat Leeds - our fellow Yorkshire cousins get away with it by including Wetherby, Otley, Yeadon, Kippax, Garforth and Morley within its 'City' boundaries. Now Sheffield gained parts of the West Riding in 1974, but has always been bigger - the county's FIRST city!

There must have been some recorded bits tonight as Jon Mitchell went from one edition to the other in 2 seconds.

There were a lot of shared stories tonight, but I expect the split will fully come into it's own when there are major news stories, tonight's lead wasn't exactly big news

The running orders were as follows:

EAST/SOUTH VERSION

Sheffield school uniform story
Short extra school story
Coastal Erosion Special Report
Chat about report and weather with Jon
Consumer story about Debt
Debt interview in the studio
News round up
Sport with Rachel Philips
My Yorkshire, Ian Clayton in studio
Competition
Old Footage found story
Weather

NORTH/WEST VERSION

Sheffield school uniform story
Bradford story
Coastal Erosion Special Report
Chat about report, North Yorks flooding and weather with Jon
Consumer story about Debt
Debt interview in the studio
News round up
Emmerdale actor studio interview who is in theatre in York
Sport round up
Competition
E-Mails and texts
My Yorkshire, Ian Clayton in studio
Weather

Awful awful awful.

I'd like to say it was good news for people in the East of the Calendar region - but it got no more of a look in than the old pan regional programme.

The Calendar South roundup used to be the crowning glory of the programme in my eyes - OK so nothing in depth and only about 6 or 7 stories but they've now been lost.

Watching tonight I didn't see anything more on the programme than what you'd have got in the old days.

Still not happy with putting 'South' with 'East' (though I guess it makes sense in the amount of news 'East' alone would generate. But they're two totally different areas. The South of the region tends to "Look North" (*BOOM BOOM*) and certainly wouldn't associate itself with Lincolnshire.

Odd choice but hey - still marginally better than the other side, but I think they'll have to have a think on how to keep everyone happy all the time.

The EastSouth presenters now seem to be covering the late bulletin. John yesterday, Gaynor tonight

This means that there is no role on a weekday for any of the bulletin readers anymore (besides Carolyn Hodgson) that up to recently were fixtures on the sub-opts and late bulletin

By the way, the Coastal Erosion report managed to feature the famous clip from Calendar with Richard Whiteley "I'm speaking to you live" as the hotel crashed into the sea behind him

Depends how you define Leeds. Indeed in the 1990s government reforms, Leeds Metropolitan Borough change its title to the City of Leeds. So from that point of view; so Garforth, Wetherby et al are technically within the "City of Leeds".

But outside of Leeds itself , the Leeds MB is parished. So in another sense Garforth, Wetherby etc are separate from Leeds (in other words there is countryside separating them from the city itself)!

It is worth noting that the "City of Sheffield" also includes civil parishes outside the city itself, since the "City of Sheffield" was formerly Sheffield Metropolitan Borough.

However there are fewer other civil parishes outside included in the City of Sheffield's boundaries than the City of Leeds, just three: Stocksbridge, Ecclesfield and Bradfield. Leeds has around 20-30 civil parishes in the "City of Leeds"!

So you're right they do cheat in West Yorkshire. It always amuses me when I drive into Wetherby from Harrogate, when it says "Welcome to the City of Leeds"-- Leeds itself is over 10 miles away! Change it back to "Metropolitan Borough of Leeds (plus County of West Yorkshire on the county boundary!)"

I've seen so many of those signs defaced, with the Leeds word painted over by upset locals who don't like to think of themselves as being in Leeds. Boston Spa, Pool in Wharfedale, Harewood to name just three.

Back to Calendar, and it sounds like they've taken the easy option of presenting two separate programmes to keep Ofcom happy, but with little editorial difference between the two. It's rather similar with Tyne Tees where the southern opt is still chock-full of Newcastle stories.

I'm sure I remember a lot of predictions here on TVF weeks/months ago that the two new 6pm Calendars would only really have a different emphasis (e.g. top few stories / opening 10-mins of the programme (or whatever)), and apart from that would basically each pretend to cover the whole region, by having a lot of story sharing (particularly the seemingly less-news-rich East/South programme "borrowing" North/West stories, and not so much vice-versa).

And now, such predictions have proved to be true.

Yet some TVForumers seem as though they're surprised ! Why?

Anyone know what is going to happen to the likes of Karen Petch, Lisa Walton and Dave Devenport then?