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brotherton sands
I think that when the company "Yorkshire Television Ltd" first existed, their official region included little/none of the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk type area. Hence why it was an acceptable company name.

I think that some/all of the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk type area was originally officially covered by Anglia, and/or couldn't receive any ITV at all.

I don't thnk that that lasted for very many years though, and soon the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk area became part of YTV's region. A company is hardly going to go to the expense of re-registering at Companies House with a new name, unless mergers/takeovers etc have occurred, hence the company always remained as "Yorkshire Television".

Obviously, YTV did/do acknowlege the non-Yorkshire parts of the region, by having the ambiguous/meaningless "Calendar (News)" title.

It's a pity that the actual channel/station couldn't do something similar. If Tyne Tees could call their channel "Channel 3 North East" for a period of the 1990s, even though the company never stopped being called "Tyne Tees Television", then surely YTV could have made it so than non-Yorks viewers weren't having to put up with a Yorks-biased channel name for all those decades?

I think it's about high time that the weather forecasts were labelled as " Calendar Weather", especially if the new seperate west/east 6pm programmes end up having sub-regional weathermaps - "Yorkshire Weather" would sound daft for a weather map consisting of mostly Lincs, and very little of Yorks.
JE
Jez Founding member
Brekkie Boy posted:
So how many news regions has ITV (and the BBC) got now then - and why don't us Gogs in North Wales get our own?


I think its something like 17 news regions now out of the ITV PLC regions so not including Scotland, Ireland and Channel Islands.

North Wales are covered by Granada and HTV - is there enough news there to have a sub regional news for North Wales?
ST
Stuart
Jez posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
So how many news regions has ITV (and the BBC) got now then - and why don't us Gogs in North Wales get our own?

I think its something like 17 news regions now....North Wales are covered by Granada and HTV - is there enough news there to have a sub regional news for North Wales?

Seeing as Granada operate as a single news region (because of the single-transmitter) is there not a common HTV (sorry, ITV Wales) transmitter they could share on a different frequency to transmit a Merseyside & North Wales news service?
BR
Brekkie
StuartPlymouth posted:
Seeing as Granada operate as a single news region (because of the single-transmitter) is there not a common HTV (sorry, ITV Wales) transmitter they could share on a different frequency to transmit a Merseyside & North Wales news service?



I wonder what they'd call that then - Merseyside and North Wales Tonight?

I'm not clued up on transmittor locations across the country so am not going to go there, but it does seem strange that the likes of Anglia get seperate editions for Norfolk and Suffolk, yet Manchester and Liverpool - two of the countries biggest cities, share a bulletin.
RM
Roger Mellie
Work of Artifice posted:
I think that when the company "Yorkshire Television Ltd" first existed, their official region included little/none of the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk type area. Hence why it was an acceptable company name.

I think that some/all of the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk type area was originally officially covered by Anglia, and/or couldn't receive any ITV at all.

I don't thnk that that lasted for very many years though, and soon the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk area became part of YTV's region. A company is hardly going to go to the expense of re-registering at Companies House with a new name, unless mergers/takeovers etc have occurred, hence the company always remained as "Yorkshire Television".

Obviously, YTV did/do acknowlege the non-Yorkshire parts of the region, by having the ambiguous/meaningless "Calendar (News)" title.

It's a pity that the actual channel/station couldn't do something similar. If Tyne Tees could call their channel "Channel 3 North East" for a period of the 1990s, even though the company never stopped being called "Tyne Tees Television", then surely YTV could have made it so than non-Yorks viewers weren't having to put up with a Yorks-biased channel name for all those decades?

I think it's about high time that the weather forecasts were labelled as " Calendar Weather", especially if the new seperate west/east 6pm programmes end up having sub-regional weathermaps - "Yorkshire Weather" would sound daft for a weather map consisting of mostly Lincs, and very little of Yorks.


That was my point in the previous post-- thanks for clarifying the finer points of it and expanding on it:) . I note that on Calendar they are careful to say "Calendar region" rather than Yorkshire! So it is only logical to call it Calendar Weather

It's Calendar's Belmont mast that covers most of the non-Yorkshire parts of the Calendar Region. The Belmont Transmitter originally transmitted Anglia TV, and was switched over to YTV at some point (can't remember the year?)

So if I'm right in my thinking, would Emley Moor have been the only main transmitter for the YTV area, when YTV was created? Emley Moor mainly covers W.Yorks, S.Yorks, parts of N. Yorks (but at a pinch north Notts/Derbys), so "Yorkshire TV" would have been a sensible name for the company, especially considering it is based in Yorkshire's biggest city (Leeds)

I think calling Calendar East just as Calendar , when it is relaunched, will be the best idea. Central News East and Central News West are just referred to as Central News/Tonight on-screen.
NE
Nelad
Andrew posted:
She's apparantly been doing this for months (It's usually on on a Sunday morning and seems to follow the exact format of ITV Yorkshire regional programme "The Way We Were" except obviously religion rather than local footage) although it's the first time I've seen it


I think that you'll find it is an ITV Tyne Tees format, later copied by Yorkshire, Granada and also I believe Anglia Evil or Very Mad
NW
nwtv2003
Brekkie Boy posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
Seeing as Granada operate as a single news region (because of the single-transmitter) is there not a common HTV (sorry, ITV Wales) transmitter they could share on a different frequency to transmit a Merseyside & North Wales news service?



I wonder what they'd call that then - Merseyside and North Wales Tonight?

I'm not clued up on transmittor locations across the country so am not going to go there, but it does seem strange that the likes of Anglia get seperate editions for Norfolk and Suffolk, yet Manchester and Liverpool - two of the countries biggest cities, share a bulletin.


It's slightly annoying that we have one transmitter that's based just outside of Bolton that broadcasts as far North as South Cumbria, as West as the Isle Of Man and parts of Anglessey and as South as Stoke.

North Wales did have an ITV station in the early 1960's called WWN, it failed because it had a very high commitment to Welsh programmes at a time when alot of people did (and still do) get their programmes from the more than established Granada.

We're lucky in recent years that Manchester has gained it's own RSL station (Channel M) thats become a success, shame it can't be echoed in other cities really.
NE
Nelad
nwtv2003 posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
Seeing as Granada operate as a single news region (because of the single-transmitter) is there not a common HTV (sorry, ITV Wales) transmitter they could share on a different frequency to transmit a Merseyside & North Wales news service?



I wonder what they'd call that then - Merseyside and North Wales Tonight?

I'm not clued up on transmittor locations across the country so am not going to go there, but it does seem strange that the likes of Anglia get seperate editions for Norfolk and Suffolk, yet Manchester and Liverpool - two of the countries biggest cities, share a bulletin.


It's slightly annoying that we have one transmitter that's based just outside of Bolton that broadcasts as far North as South Cumbria, as West as the Isle Of Man and parts of Anglessey and as South as Stoke.

North Wales did have an ITV station in the early 1960's called WWN, it failed because it had a very high commitment to Welsh programmes at a time when alot of people did (and still do) get their programmes from the more than established Granada.

We're lucky in recent years that Manchester has gained it's own RSL station (Channel M) thats become a success, shame it can't be echoed in other cities really.


Well having spent some time in the north west of late, I don't see that Manchester needs a dedicated channel. From what I have seen, the offerings down there may as well be called 'Manchester Tonight' and 'Manchester Reports'
TR
TROGGLES
Roger Mellie posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
I think that when the company "Yorkshire Television Ltd" first existed, their official region included little/none of the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk type area. Hence why it was an acceptable company name.

I think that some/all of the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk type area was originally officially covered by Anglia, and/or couldn't receive any ITV at all.

I don't thnk that that lasted for very many years though, and soon the Lincs/E Yorks/N Norfolk area became part of YTV's region. A company is hardly going to go to the expense of re-registering at Companies House with a new name, unless mergers/takeovers etc have occurred, hence the company always remained as "Yorkshire Television".

Obviously, YTV did/do acknowlege the non-Yorkshire parts of the region, by having the ambiguous/meaningless "Calendar (News)" title.

It's a pity that the actual channel/station couldn't do something similar. If Tyne Tees could call their channel "Channel 3 North East" for a period of the 1990s, even though the company never stopped being called "Tyne Tees Television", then surely YTV could have made it so than non-Yorks viewers weren't having to put up with a Yorks-biased channel name for all those decades?

I think it's about high time that the weather forecasts were labelled as " Calendar Weather", especially if the new seperate west/east 6pm programmes end up having sub-regional weathermaps - "Yorkshire Weather" would sound daft for a weather map consisting of mostly Lincs, and very little of Yorks.


That was my point in the previous post-- thanks for clarifying the finer points of it and expanding on it:) . I note that on Calendar they are careful to say "Calendar region" rather than Yorkshire! So it is only logical to call it Calendar Weather

It's Calendar's Belmont mast that covers most of the non-Yorkshire parts of the Calendar Region. The Belmont Transmitter originally transmitted Anglia TV, and was switched over to YTV at some point (can't remember the year?)

So if I'm right in my thinking, would Emley Moor have been the only main transmitter for the YTV area, when YTV was created? Emley Moor mainly covers W.Yorks, S.Yorks, parts of N. Yorks (but at a pinch north Notts/Derbys), so "Yorkshire TV" would have been a sensible name for the company, especially considering it is based in Yorkshire's biggest city (Leeds)

I think calling Calendar East just as Calendar , when it is relaunched, will be the best idea. Central News East and Central News West are just referred to as Central News/Tonight on-screen.


Way back when Yorkshire started there was considerable confusion over the Bilsdale transmitter. The IBA had teeth &, unlike Ofcom, cared about production values and service. (Ofcom cares about making as much money from flogging frequencies anything that isn't fastened down) After the Belmont collapse debarcle Tyne Tees eventually got the Bilsdale transmitter the deal was that Yorkshire could have Belmont from Anglia circa 1974)
As for the name YTV is still quite protective in a quiet way and will hang on to the Calendar name as all the market research shows that most people still call ITV1 'Yorkshire' Lets hope Mr Grade sees the light & unless some idiot in London spots the YORKSHIRE TELEVISION sign at Kirkstall road!
Does anyone know of any more substantive rumors on the whereabouts of the Chevron? Wink
AN
Andrew Founding member
At this time of year you can see who is on a Eamonn Holmes type of contract with lots of holiday

On Calendar, Duncan, Christine & Gaynor have taken it in turns to present Calendar one day a week

On Look North, Ian and Harry have presented every bulletin at teatime since last Saturday and will probably continue to do so over New Year

No sign of Christa Ackroyd...
BS
brotherton sands
Roger Mellie posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
I think it's about high time that the weather forecasts were labelled as " Calendar Weather", especially if the new seperate west/east 6pm programmes end up having sub-regional weathermaps - "Yorkshire Weather" would sound daft for a weather map consisting of mostly Lincs, and very little of Yorks.


I note that on Calendar they are careful to say "Calendar region" rather than Yorkshire! So it is only logical to call it Calendar Weather

I think calling Calendar East just as Calendar , when it is relaunched, will be the best idea. Central News East and Central News West are just referred to as Central News/Tonight on-screen.


Perhaps the whole shebang should be known as "ITV Calendar"? The idea that there are buildings in Hull and Lincoln with "ITV Yorkshire" written on the sign, strikes me as being beyond ridiculous.

As we don't have regional production encaps anymore (just "ITV Productions" or "a production for ITV1")... that means that signage, headed paper etc are the only places where "ITV Yorkshire" still survies.

So is it really worth Leeds' while, desperately clinging onto it? ITVplc are not averse to "committing murder" (i.e. they killed off the "H"/"Harlech" in Wales and the West of England), so why not go for "ITV Calendar"?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
TROGGLES posted:
After the Belmont collapse debarcle


Belmont collapsed?

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