BM
BM11
Bound to end up happening.
Bound to end up happening.
MA
Still, nice to see a piece of archive footage that's older than 24 hours, not have the chroma desaturated/faux grain added/horizontal line structure added/colour fringing applied (pick any two from four above)
It goes to show how must distrust there is in the media since the referendum that a simple human error is what they claim more bias from the BBC.
However, it can be argued that the majority of people are simply unaware of how footage is acquired and played out.
However, it can be argued that the majority of people are simply unaware of how footage is acquired and played out.
Still, nice to see a piece of archive footage that's older than 24 hours, not have the chroma desaturated/faux grain added/horizontal line structure added/colour fringing applied (pick any two from four above)
AN
To be fair when it comes to political matters, the whole internet is depressing at the moment, full of everyone going on about conspiracies about why broadcaster X is biased towards party/brexit stance Y
Everyone seems to be getting caught up in the 'BBC is biased' conspiracy, many celebs on Twitter who I follow based on their usual topic of conversation, spend all their time talking about Question Time, BBC News, how they are all biased etc.
Andrew
Founding member
The replies to the Breakfast tweet are so depressing. It's like a swamp of idiots have gathered in the same place - proud at how they figured out the BBC's cunning plan 
Especially those thinking they need to go down to some sort of archive to dust off old VHS's of Boris!
Of all the conspiracies in the world, some of which may well be true, the idea that it was anything other than a genuine human error is laughable. Mistakes. At work. Do happen.
Especially those thinking they need to go down to some sort of archive to dust off old VHS's of Boris!
Of all the conspiracies in the world, some of which may well be true, the idea that it was anything other than a genuine human error is laughable. Mistakes. At work. Do happen.
To be fair when it comes to political matters, the whole internet is depressing at the moment, full of everyone going on about conspiracies about why broadcaster X is biased towards party/brexit stance Y
Everyone seems to be getting caught up in the 'BBC is biased' conspiracy, many celebs on Twitter who I follow based on their usual topic of conversation, spend all their time talking about Question Time, BBC News, how they are all biased etc.
BF
Twitter is basically one giant version of 'The Boy That Cried Wolf'.
People get so annoyed and outraged at seemingly trivial things that you just get blase about it and when people actually get annoyed about something that merits being annoyed about you end up ignoring it.
Bit of a cock-up by whoever was meant to put the clip on air but really not worth the controversy it's generated. People who are outraged about it on Twitter honestly need to get a life.
I do quite like the idea that apparently the Beeb's evil masterplan to convince everybody to vote Tory is to use an incorrect clip of Boris Johnson. That'll have people turning Tory in their droves.
People get so annoyed and outraged at seemingly trivial things that you just get blase about it and when people actually get annoyed about something that merits being annoyed about you end up ignoring it.
Bit of a cock-up by whoever was meant to put the clip on air but really not worth the controversy it's generated. People who are outraged about it on Twitter honestly need to get a life.
I do quite like the idea that apparently the Beeb's evil masterplan to convince everybody to vote Tory is to use an incorrect clip of Boris Johnson. That'll have people turning Tory in their droves.
IS
Thing is I watched the coverage and didn't notice the wrong way round thing, no one I was with commented either. So if it is a BBC plot to cover it up then it's failed spectacularly.
I'm always skeptical about theories concerning journalistic conspiracies and institutionalised bias. I've been in a fair few editorial meetings and trying to get all the journos to decide on anything is impossible. If they're told what to think even some of those who agreed would just do the opposite to be contrary
I'm always skeptical about theories concerning journalistic conspiracies and institutionalised bias. I've been in a fair few editorial meetings and trying to get all the journos to decide on anything is impossible. If they're told what to think even some of those who agreed would just do the opposite to be contrary
RD
I tweeted out a genuine question of what was so wrong of them broadcasting footage of the same person doing the same thing in the same location. The abuse I got was... well you might imagine.
I am still slightly puzzled at all this furore however. If they shown this footage to look as if he did lay a wreath when he didn't lay a wreath at all on Sunday - I can understand. But he did.
Whether they shown the footage from 2016 accidentally or yesterday - he still did exactly the same thing.
The replies to the Breakfast tweet are so depressing. It's like a swamp of idiots have gathered in the same place - proud at how they figured out the BBC's cunning plan Especially those thinking they need to go down to some sort of archive to dust off old VHS's of Boris!
Of all the conspiracies in the world, some of which may well be true, the idea that it was anything other than a genuine human error is laughable. Mistakes. At work. Do happen.
Especially those thinking they need to go down to some sort of archive to dust off old VHS's of Boris!
Of all the conspiracies in the world, some of which may well be true, the idea that it was anything other than a genuine human error is laughable. Mistakes. At work. Do happen.
I tweeted out a genuine question of what was so wrong of them broadcasting footage of the same person doing the same thing in the same location. The abuse I got was... well you might imagine.
I am still slightly puzzled at all this furore however. If they shown this footage to look as if he did lay a wreath when he didn't lay a wreath at all on Sunday - I can understand. But he did.
Whether they shown the footage from 2016 accidentally or yesterday - he still did exactly the same thing.
:-(
A former member
LU
I tweeted out a genuine question of what was so wrong of them broadcasting footage of the same person doing the same thing in the same location. The abuse I got was... well you might imagine.
I am still slightly puzzled at all this furore however. If they shown this footage to look as if he did lay a wreath when he didn't lay a wreath at all on Sunday - I can understand. But he did.
Whether they shown the footage from 2016 accidentally or yesterday - he still did exactly the same thing.
no, he laid it upside down yesterday.
The replies to the Breakfast tweet are so depressing. It's like a swamp of idiots have gathered in the same place - proud at how they figured out the BBC's cunning plan Especially those thinking they need to go down to some sort of archive to dust off old VHS's of Boris!
Of all the conspiracies in the world, some of which may well be true, the idea that it was anything other than a genuine human error is laughable. Mistakes. At work. Do happen.
Especially those thinking they need to go down to some sort of archive to dust off old VHS's of Boris!
Of all the conspiracies in the world, some of which may well be true, the idea that it was anything other than a genuine human error is laughable. Mistakes. At work. Do happen.
I tweeted out a genuine question of what was so wrong of them broadcasting footage of the same person doing the same thing in the same location. The abuse I got was... well you might imagine.
I am still slightly puzzled at all this furore however. If they shown this footage to look as if he did lay a wreath when he didn't lay a wreath at all on Sunday - I can understand. But he did.
Whether they shown the footage from 2016 accidentally or yesterday - he still did exactly the same thing.
no, he laid it upside down yesterday.
UK
I'll happily defend the BBC on anything, but this does nothing to explain why there wasn't a 10" edited clip from yesterday's Rememberance service wasn't available on Juniper for news teams to use for broadcast yesterday evening and today?
It was a live broadcast (plus evening 'highlights'), of an event of national importance, and happens every year.
I would expect a very short vt package of the wreath laying, by the political party leaders and Royal Family members turned around for immediate use on the servers by midday.
It’s already been explained by the tweets from Alex Partridge quoted above - the 2016 footage (used for the Sunday morning preview) ends up being one of the top searches for ‘Johnson’ and ‘cenotaph’. Someone mistakenly uses that clip the following day.
Jupiter allows you to search for raw material rather than a cut piece and on the whole you’d want to take a short clip from the raw recording.
The 2019 footage would have been there, for whatever reason a search didn’t bring it up - perhaps the wrong keywords were entered (either in the 2019 recording or the search for footage). The 2016 footage does show up and in a hurry / tiredness it’s used by mistake.
You say you’ll ‘happily defend the BBC on anything’ and then ignore the explanations as to the most likely cause, thereby further feeding the supposed ‘conspiracy’. There’s been plenty of Twitter posts by current or previous Jupiter users explaining how this could have happened.
To explain the production error on @BBCBreakfast, the footage of Remembrance Sunday 2016 was among archive restored at 0403am on Sunday to preview the service. It was used in error today. Claims it was combined with 2019 footage this morning are wholly incorrect.
— Richard Frediani (@BBCFrediani) November 11, 2019
I'll happily defend the BBC on anything, but this does nothing to explain why there wasn't a 10" edited clip from yesterday's Rememberance service wasn't available on Juniper for news teams to use for broadcast yesterday evening and today?
It was a live broadcast (plus evening 'highlights'), of an event of national importance, and happens every year.
I would expect a very short vt package of the wreath laying, by the political party leaders and Royal Family members turned around for immediate use on the servers by midday.
It’s already been explained by the tweets from Alex Partridge quoted above - the 2016 footage (used for the Sunday morning preview) ends up being one of the top searches for ‘Johnson’ and ‘cenotaph’. Someone mistakenly uses that clip the following day.
Jupiter allows you to search for raw material rather than a cut piece and on the whole you’d want to take a short clip from the raw recording.
The 2019 footage would have been there, for whatever reason a search didn’t bring it up - perhaps the wrong keywords were entered (either in the 2019 recording or the search for footage). The 2016 footage does show up and in a hurry / tiredness it’s used by mistake.
You say you’ll ‘happily defend the BBC on anything’ and then ignore the explanations as to the most likely cause, thereby further feeding the supposed ‘conspiracy’. There’s been plenty of Twitter posts by current or previous Jupiter users explaining how this could have happened.
WO
It was an accident, not an on purpose. And just to reiterate, Mr Johnson was laying a wreath, not 'laying reefs at the cenotaph' as per a classic news channel ticker blooper from yester year. 
Can't help but think its another one of these silly left wing conspiracy theories personally.
However, I'm more disappointed that some are using this for political gain. Whatever you think of the PM, he was laying a wreath to remember those who've died in conflict.
Can't help but think its another one of these silly left wing conspiracy theories personally.
However, I'm more disappointed that some are using this for political gain. Whatever you think of the PM, he was laying a wreath to remember those who've died in conflict.
Last edited by Worzel on 12 November 2019 12:38am