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2019 General Christmas election.

12th December: NO drama just presentation. (October 2019)

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Worzel
BM11 posted:




Oh dear, oh dear. The court's have had to deal with enough tripe over recent months already! The Lib Dems may as well just camp out in a courtroom the amount of time they're spending in chambers these days.
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A former member
In other Pres news, SKY NEWS has brought out its Election promo... it's full of benches..
JK
JKDerry
The Lib Dems are really wasting their time and the courts time if they push with these legal proceedings against ITV and ITN - sorry, they may have been the king makers in 2010, however in 2019 this country is still a two party system, whether we like it or not, and Boris Vs Jeremy is what matters, because these two men are the only real contenders for Prime Minister.

I do not know what reality the Lib Dem leader is living in, but it is not our reality. Even Nick Clegg knew he was never going to be Prime Minister.
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LL
London Lite Founding member
A poll for YouGov showed that viewers who support the main parties think Jo Swinson should feature in the ITV debate. Sky News have sensibly invited Swinson to their leaders debate with Corbyn and Johnson at the end of November.

Editorially I'd add Swinson as being of the only mainstream party that is GB wide and with enough seats representing the Remain cause. Leave is more than represented by the Tories with Corbyn being whatever trends that day.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Markymark posted:
james-2001 posted:
Looks like they rather cheaply just pulled some off-air footage of the BBC parliament repeats for the 70, 74 and 2001 elections there.


The 1997 logo at 1:10 looks like something from Micro$oft


It is a wee bit Internet Explorer, isn't it?
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Markymark
Steve in Pudsey posted:
JKDerry posted:
Election 1970 was really the start of the BBC's huge studio attitude for general elections. I remember Cliff Michelmore saying the 1970 studio was just far too big, as it was going to be shrunk into a person's television screen anyway and thus pointless - BBC wanted to blast ITN out of the water with their massive sets.

Apart from 1983 and 1987, all of the general election sets for the BBC have been truly massive, making the most of TC1 at Television Centre - however 2019 is a different era now, and the BBC think the age of the massive studio is not needed.


As has been pointed out, the reason for huge sets previously was to provide effectively office space for those working on the results etc. That just isn't required to be in the same place these days.

Surprising that they used Lime Grove for 1966 though, TC1 had been open for a couple of years by then.


Was it a lines thing? Did LG have better facilities for multiple incoming circuits? Nationwide used LG too of course from 69
SP
Steve in Pudsey
JKDerry posted:
The Lib Dems are really wasting their time and the courts time if they push with these legal proceedings against ITV and ITN - sorry, they may have been the king makers in 2010, however in 2019 this country is still a two party system, whether we like it or not, and Boris Vs Jeremy is what matters, because these two men are the only real contenders for Prime Minister.

I do not know what reality the Lib Dem leader is living in, but it is not our reality. Even Nick Clegg knew he was never going to be Prime Minister.

I disagree. It's certainly outside the spirit of electoral law if not the letter of it.

It would not be legal to do a local version with candidates from just two parties without the others being given an opportunity to take part. That should scale up to leaders' debates, perhaps with a qualifying percentage of seats that their party is standing in.

The approach you are advocating makes it a two horse race when it really isn't.
BS
Ben Shatliff
Steve in Pudsey posted:
JKDerry posted:
The Lib Dems are really wasting their time and the courts time if they push with these legal proceedings against ITV and ITN - sorry, they may have been the king makers in 2010, however in 2019 this country is still a two party system, whether we like it or not, and Boris Vs Jeremy is what matters, because these two men are the only real contenders for Prime Minister.

I do not know what reality the Lib Dem leader is living in, but it is not our reality. Even Nick Clegg knew he was never going to be Prime Minister.

I disagree. It's certainly outside the spirit of electoral law if not the letter of it.

It would not be legal to do a local version with candidates from just two parties without the others being given an opportunity to take part. That should scale up to leaders' debates, perhaps with a qualifying percentage of seats that their party is standing in.

The approach you are advocating makes it a two horse race when it really isn't.


There will be a whole variety of debates over the next few weeks. There will be different formats.

I personally and I am politically neutral think a head to head between the PM and Leader Of The Opposition will get many more viewers than one with all Leaders taking part. This especially during the current climate.

Sky News are doing one with the PM, Leader Of The Opposition and Lib Dem Leader which will also gets lots of viewers.

ITV are also offering other debates.

This is the first time we will actually see the Two Main Leaders go head to head which will be interesting.
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Steve in Pudsey
This is about democracy, not viewing figures.
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bilky asko
I don't know why Jo Swinson is complaining, surely as she's already won there's no need to attend the debate?
NG
noggin Founding member
Markymark posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
JKDerry posted:
Election 1970 was really the start of the BBC's huge studio attitude for general elections. I remember Cliff Michelmore saying the 1970 studio was just far too big, as it was going to be shrunk into a person's television screen anyway and thus pointless - BBC wanted to blast ITN out of the water with their massive sets.

Apart from 1983 and 1987, all of the general election sets for the BBC have been truly massive, making the most of TC1 at Television Centre - however 2019 is a different era now, and the BBC think the age of the massive studio is not needed.


As has been pointed out, the reason for huge sets previously was to provide effectively office space for those working on the results etc. That just isn't required to be in the same place these days.

Surprising that they used Lime Grove for 1966 though, TC1 had been open for a couple of years by then.


Was it a lines thing? Did LG have better facilities for multiple incoming circuits? Nationwide used LG too of course from 69


Grandstand was still based at Lime Grove at that time I believe, as would Nationwide a few years later, so Lime Grove certainly had the connectivity and facilities for a reasonably large number of incoming lines. It was also the home, at that time, of Television Current Affairs, who may have had a large part in producing the election coverage.

In 1966 TV News were still based at Alexandra Palace, and Spur hadn't been completed (where News would move to) - so there was no real News or Current Affairs presence at TV Centre.
VM
VMPhil
bilky asko posted:
I don't know why Jo Swinson is complaining, surely as she's already won there's no need to attend the debate?

And shouldn’t Boris Johnson be busy lying in a ditch?

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