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Wimbledon moving the news to BBC Two

With the Six on BBC Two, and instead of discussing it in the main thread, why not split it up? (July 2011)

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Westy2
Andrew posted:
Network ident, is a regional ident too much to ask for thesedays?


We got one in the West Midlands, 'Now later than billed'.
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Inspector Sands
David posted:
I think the best option, on satellite at least, would be to have 15 or so streams that can be used to make any BBC channel regional. This would only enable one channel to be regional at any time.

So, most of the time every English region gets the same BBC One stream. This then switches to one of the other streams when regional programmes are being broadcast. The rest of the time, these streams can be used so that other channels can go regional.

I'm not sure that would work, changing which video stream goes to which EPG place isn't something that's done dynamically. Even if it was it would look a bit messy!
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Inspector Sands
Andrew posted:
Network ident, is a regional ident too much to ask for thesedays?

Unless someone had the initiative to make one up while they were waiting to go on air then yes.
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Westy2
David posted:
I expect there are few more people with drink inside them out and about at 20:30 compared to 18:30. I wouldn't be surprised if we see someone getting their bum out behind a reporter on one of the regional programmes this evening.


I'm surprised we got any live interview OBs on the later bulletins. We got a councillor outside in Walsall tonight & on Wednesday night we got a live interview in Brum City Centre.
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David
Inspector Sands posted:
I'm not sure that would work, changing which video stream goes to which EPG place isn't something that's done dynamically. Even if it was it would look a bit messy!


It might take a bit of imagination, maybe a countdown before programmes with regional opts so that it didn't matter too much if there is picture/sound break up. The technology is there anyway, as boxes get faster and come with more tuners I suspect it would be possible to change the video stream without it being noticed by the viewer at all.

Westy2 posted:
Andrew posted:
Network ident, is a regional ident too much to ask for thesedays?


We got one in the West Midlands, 'Now later than billed'.


Ahh, but did you get "A Question of Sport will be back on Monday at 22:35"? I think not. I know what I would rather have.
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Andrew Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
Andrew posted:
Network ident, is a regional ident too much to ask for thesedays?

Unless someone had the initiative to make one up while they were waiting to go on air then yes.


One of the production team will need to be a presentation geek I assume.

In my region's case, I bet there would have been a regional ident if Ian White had still been there.
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Brekkie
David posted:
Brekkie posted:
Although the reasons are clear it is ridiculous in England the BBC can only regionalise one channel now compared to both BBC1 and BBC2 before Digital Switchover - although I would suspect (and hope) if the option did become available to regionalise a second BBC channel they'd go for the News Channel rather than BBC2 so at least in time they could explore regional options there.


I think the best option, on satellite at least, would be to have 15 or so streams that can be used to make any BBC channel regional. This would only enable one channel to be regional at any time.

So, most of the time every English region gets the same BBC One stream. This then switches to one of the other streams when regional programmes are being broadcast. The rest of the time, these streams can be used so that other channels can go regional.

This would only involve the BBC investing in 1(?) additional channel on satellite. This may be more difficult on terrestrial and cable.

Yes, in theory that is an option I've wondered about before - but in practice I'm not sure it would be possible, however nice an idea it is.
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Inspector Sands
David posted:
It might take a bit of imagination, maybe a countdown before programmes with regional opts so that it didn't matter too much if there is picture/sound break up. The technology is there anyway, as boxes get faster and come with more tuners I suspect it would be possible to change the video stream without it being noticed by the viewer at all.

Hmmm, I still don't think it's a goer. Even if it is possible it would too too much faff to make it worthwhile. Putting a 'countdown' in front of the news would be the least of their worries - that sounds a bit 'CWilliams 1976' to be honest!
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 2 July 2011 10:56am
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itsrobert Founding member
chris_rgu posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
The 8pm short update is going out on BBC1 , including regional bits.


Who presented?


Mishal Husain.
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Steve in Pudsey
David posted:
This would only involve the BBC investing in 1(?) additional channel on satellite. This may be more difficult on terrestrial and cable.


Terrestrial is actually easier now they have the centralised mux operation. Usual configuration is Net1 distribution goes to the region and the output of their opt switch is fed to the mux centre where it goes into the multiplexer for the region and then on to the transmitters. It should be possible (as it's all done with switching matrices, probably computer controlled) to put Net1 directly into each muxer, put Net2 on the distribution circuits which go through the regions and put the return feeds into the BBC2 input on each muxer. This same principle could be used for any BBC channel.

For satellite it would be necessary to be able to switch all of the BBC1 EPG channels to a single stream (which isn't really viable). For the few occasions on which it's needed a red button app would be tolerable for the regional variations on BBC2 rather than buying loads of EPG slots.
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davidhorman
David posted:
as boxes get faster and come with more tuners I suspect it would be possible to change the video stream without it being noticed by the viewer at all.


Probably only by fading to black at every junction.

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Steve in Pudsey
C4 fade to black after every ident, so I don't see a problem with that.

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