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Tis true the tilt is being changed ...
The BBC is changing its new weather graphics from tomorrow. It is altering the perspective of its new 3D weather map after complaints from viewers: the map is being tilted to give more prominence to Scotland and the North of England. But there'll be no change to the map colours, which the BBC says help it to show detailed weather conditions. The BBC has already made one change, slowing down the speed at which the camera appears to swoop over the UK. Around 4,000 people complained after the new forecasts were introduced, but the BBC says audience research showed that seven out of ten people preferred the new system, or liked it as much as the old forecasts.
NickyS
Founding member
CyberCD posted:
Media Guardian is reporting the map will be altered tomorrow following the number of complaints. A re-tilting?
Also - has anyone seen a pollen count on the new forecast? As a hayfever sufferer, you'd think it would be a good time of year to have one!
Also - has anyone seen a pollen count on the new forecast? As a hayfever sufferer, you'd think it would be a good time of year to have one!
Tis true the tilt is being changed ...
The BBC is changing its new weather graphics from tomorrow. It is altering the perspective of its new 3D weather map after complaints from viewers: the map is being tilted to give more prominence to Scotland and the North of England. But there'll be no change to the map colours, which the BBC says help it to show detailed weather conditions. The BBC has already made one change, slowing down the speed at which the camera appears to swoop over the UK. Around 4,000 people complained after the new forecasts were introduced, but the BBC says audience research showed that seven out of ten people preferred the new system, or liked it as much as the old forecasts.
RU
Tis true the tilt is being changed ...
The BBC is changing its new weather graphics from tomorrow. It is altering the perspective of its new 3D weather map after complaints from viewers: the map is being tilted to give more prominence to Scotland and the North of England.
Well, I'm going to the complain now as there will be less prominence to the South and see how they like it
russnet
Founding member
NickyS posted:
Tis true the tilt is being changed ...
The BBC is changing its new weather graphics from tomorrow. It is altering the perspective of its new 3D weather map after complaints from viewers: the map is being tilted to give more prominence to Scotland and the North of England.
Well, I'm going to the complain now as there will be less prominence to the South and see how they like it
PO
Tis true the tilt is being changed ...
The BBC is changing its new weather graphics from tomorrow. It is altering the perspective of its new 3D weather map after complaints from viewers: the map is being tilted to give more prominence to Scotland and the North of England. But there'll be no change to the map colours, which the BBC says help it to show detailed weather conditions. The BBC has already made one change, slowing down the speed at which the camera appears to swoop over the UK. Around 4,000 people complained after the new forecasts were introduced, but the BBC says audience research showed that seven out of ten people preferred the new system, or liked it as much as the old forecasts.
I'd love to know who this "7 out of 10" are because so far I don't know anyone who likes these new graphics. People at work think they are awful; I was at my parent's last night - they said people where they work didn't like them either - and mainly because they've got rid of the easy to recognise and understand symbols - my father said the forecast on Midlands Today last night told him "bugger all" about what the weather would do today - because of course it's mainly sunny today so there's NOTHING on the chart to demonstrate that any more - oh, apart from it's a slightly lighter beige - which he can't see as his eyes ain't as good as they once were. The arrogance of the BBC is typical of them, but they should remember who funds them and reinstate a the information about windspeeds, air pressure, fronts and the symbols ASAP.
NickyS posted:
CyberCD posted:
Media Guardian is reporting the map will be altered tomorrow following the number of complaints. A re-tilting?
Also - has anyone seen a pollen count on the new forecast? As a hayfever sufferer, you'd think it would be a good time of year to have one!
Also - has anyone seen a pollen count on the new forecast? As a hayfever sufferer, you'd think it would be a good time of year to have one!
Tis true the tilt is being changed ...
The BBC is changing its new weather graphics from tomorrow. It is altering the perspective of its new 3D weather map after complaints from viewers: the map is being tilted to give more prominence to Scotland and the North of England. But there'll be no change to the map colours, which the BBC says help it to show detailed weather conditions. The BBC has already made one change, slowing down the speed at which the camera appears to swoop over the UK. Around 4,000 people complained after the new forecasts were introduced, but the BBC says audience research showed that seven out of ten people preferred the new system, or liked it as much as the old forecasts.
I'd love to know who this "7 out of 10" are because so far I don't know anyone who likes these new graphics. People at work think they are awful; I was at my parent's last night - they said people where they work didn't like them either - and mainly because they've got rid of the easy to recognise and understand symbols - my father said the forecast on Midlands Today last night told him "bugger all" about what the weather would do today - because of course it's mainly sunny today so there's NOTHING on the chart to demonstrate that any more - oh, apart from it's a slightly lighter beige - which he can't see as his eyes ain't as good as they once were. The arrogance of the BBC is typical of them, but they should remember who funds them and reinstate a the information about windspeeds, air pressure, fronts and the symbols ASAP.
CA
Whilst I agree re: Scottish tilt, and the dull brown colour (having seen Moz's green versions, I prefer them a hell of a lot more), and the cloud problems being a ''slightly'' darker grey... it's not that hard to understand.
People do have a habit of making a huge fuss over very little. It's no conincidence that the English coined the phrase 'mountain out of a molehill'.
It doesn't take a meterologist to work out that if there is no cloud cover and a high temperature, the chances are that it's going to be a nice day.
It does surprise me, however, that the BBC aren't trying to appease anyone by just putting up a ten second summary of 'tomorrow's weather' with the old graphics at the end of the bulletin, just to give a general over-view. Surely that would solve the problem.
People do have a habit of making a huge fuss over very little. It's no conincidence that the English coined the phrase 'mountain out of a molehill'.
It doesn't take a meterologist to work out that if there is no cloud cover and a high temperature, the chances are that it's going to be a nice day.
It does surprise me, however, that the BBC aren't trying to appease anyone by just putting up a ten second summary of 'tomorrow's weather' with the old graphics at the end of the bulletin, just to give a general over-view. Surely that would solve the problem.
RU
russnet
Founding member
Dan Corbett advised us on the 6.25pm forecast as part of the 6 O Clock News that the weather maps will be slightly different from tomorrow with a tilt more favourable to the North. He also said that we do listen to the viewers and hope that it will be better from tomorrow.
PO
You are completely missing the point. They've ruined the presentation in 2 ways, from different angles:
1) Dumbing down by removing the pressure charts, isobars and wind speed/direction;
2) Taking away the easy-to-understand symbols which CLEARLY show if it will be sunny, raining, snowing etc.
One of the best things about BBC weather presentation was that it gave a good balance between the science and getting across the forecast clearly and simply. Alas, they've thrown out the baby with the bath water on this occasion.
The "majority" of people are licence fee payers at the end of the day -the BBC SHOULD listen and act.
jay posted:
How can the BBC be accused of 'dumbing down' it's new graphics when the majority of people want to bring the 'simple' symbols back?
It's total madness, and I don't think the BBC should have bowed to pressure at all.
It's total madness, and I don't think the BBC should have bowed to pressure at all.
You are completely missing the point. They've ruined the presentation in 2 ways, from different angles:
1) Dumbing down by removing the pressure charts, isobars and wind speed/direction;
2) Taking away the easy-to-understand symbols which CLEARLY show if it will be sunny, raining, snowing etc.
One of the best things about BBC weather presentation was that it gave a good balance between the science and getting across the forecast clearly and simply. Alas, they've thrown out the baby with the bath water on this occasion.
The "majority" of people are licence fee payers at the end of the day -the BBC SHOULD listen and act.
CY
Just because the BBC's weather symbols were simple doesn't mean that the forecasts were for simple people. The size of the wind arrows and the colour of them on the old maps showed you how strong the winds were and the temperature. You got lots of information in a short space of time, the very first day of the new forecasts all we got were endless 'flyovers.' They obviously love their new toys but they don't help the viewer. ITV and GMTV had moving weather maps for years, the reason why the BBC nmaps looked dull in comparison was because nothing moved on them.
The BBC computer boffins could have pulled their fingers out yeras ago and modified the maps but they didn't.
The BBC computer boffins could have pulled their fingers out yeras ago and modified the maps but they didn't.
NG
I think the issue is that the BBC have both complicated the presentation, and removed the information. So the dumbing down accusations - mainly relating to the lack of isobars (because we're obviously too stupid to know what they mean...) and poor wind graphics - relate to that.
The lack of symbols - which also stop local forecasters adding their own interpretation (I'm wondering if this is a subtext - as all the new graphics are generated automatically - the previous cloud/rain/sun symbols were placed manually...) of the national data.
Apparently some regional forecasters are now openly contradicting the automatic graphics - because their local knowledge and experience tells them the forecast on the graphics is plain wrong for their region...
Surely it would make sense to have a set of 3D symbols that could float in the same way that the temperatures do (and didn't the circles look more classy than the squares for the temperature?)
I also remain to be convinced by the brown.
The 3D rendering and movement is definitely more modern - though the rendering technology is pretty poor, in that the animation stops when a sequence changes (the rain stops raining as the temperatures appear etc.)
Does seem silly to ditch the land=green metaphor AND the symbols...
noggin
Founding member
jay posted:
How can the BBC be accused of 'dumbing down' it's new graphics when the majority of people want to bring the 'simple' symbols back?
It's total madness, and I don't think the BBC should have bowed to pressure at all.
It's total madness, and I don't think the BBC should have bowed to pressure at all.
I think the issue is that the BBC have both complicated the presentation, and removed the information. So the dumbing down accusations - mainly relating to the lack of isobars (because we're obviously too stupid to know what they mean...) and poor wind graphics - relate to that.
The lack of symbols - which also stop local forecasters adding their own interpretation (I'm wondering if this is a subtext - as all the new graphics are generated automatically - the previous cloud/rain/sun symbols were placed manually...) of the national data.
Apparently some regional forecasters are now openly contradicting the automatic graphics - because their local knowledge and experience tells them the forecast on the graphics is plain wrong for their region...
Surely it would make sense to have a set of 3D symbols that could float in the same way that the temperatures do (and didn't the circles look more classy than the squares for the temperature?)
I also remain to be convinced by the brown.
The 3D rendering and movement is definitely more modern - though the rendering technology is pretty poor, in that the animation stops when a sequence changes (the rain stops raining as the temperatures appear etc.)
Does seem silly to ditch the land=green metaphor AND the symbols...