MO
You've answered yourself below! It's clearer because it shows exact areas.
Yes of course it is! Are you seriously trying to say weather forecasting hasn't become more accurate than when the old symbols came in!!!?
Since the actual forecast is better, the representation should match this.
Spencer For Hire posted:
It does seem particularly odd that they've promoted the new look as being clearer. I don't see how 'light brown shading' is a clearer representation of sunshine than a sunshine symbol.
You've answered yourself below! It's clearer because it shows exact areas.
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I'm afraid I also don't buy the argument that the maps now show you exactly which areas will be sunny and which won't. They may give you that impression that they're more accurate in this respect, but is the forecasting itself more accurate to match this?
Yes of course it is! Are you seriously trying to say weather forecasting hasn't become more accurate than when the old symbols came in!!!?
Since the actual forecast is better, the representation should match this.
IS
To be fair, throughout the morning they were reading out negative comments too. All to be backed up by Helen Willets with the excuse of "it's a new system and there's a lot it can do." But I do recognise that the negative comments (fairly easy ones such as....why is the map brown etc etc) were only read out to allow Helen to put a positive spin on everything.
Isonstine
Founding member
cat posted:
Though I still like them, did find it rather amusing to see the two chumps on BBC Breakfast only reading out positive comments at the end of the show, and yet all but 2 of the 100 or so posts on the BBC News website are negative.
A little case of selective journalism, there.
A little case of selective journalism, there.
To be fair, throughout the morning they were reading out negative comments too. All to be backed up by Helen Willets with the excuse of "it's a new system and there's a lot it can do." But I do recognise that the negative comments (fairly easy ones such as....why is the map brown etc etc) were only read out to allow Helen to put a positive spin on everything.
DU
There are now several hundred comments on the BBC News website- I think you count those that are positive on one hand.
I also like noggin's analogy to the London Underground Map- but would take it a little further.....sure you could make the Tube map more accurate (the actual rail paths for example), and make it 3D to show the levels the tunnels are at, but would it actually make it any clearer for travellers?
The biggest surprise for me has been the LACK of information the new maps give- I thought they could excuse making it harder to see your weather because they're giving you so much detail.
But they're blatently not.
I also like noggin's analogy to the London Underground Map- but would take it a little further.....sure you could make the Tube map more accurate (the actual rail paths for example), and make it 3D to show the levels the tunnels are at, but would it actually make it any clearer for travellers?
The biggest surprise for me has been the LACK of information the new maps give- I thought they could excuse making it harder to see your weather because they're giving you so much detail.
But they're blatently not.
SP
You've answered yourself below! It's clearer because it shows exact areas.
Yes of course it is! Are you seriously trying to say weather forecasting hasn't become more accurate than when the old symbols came in!!!?
Since the actual forecast is better, the representation should match this.
So you're telling me that the shading is exactly what will happen? The forecast can never be as precise as their maps now show. The new system is just going to highlight even more when they get it wrong... which they still do. It was supposed to be dry where I live this morning, and it was peeing down.
Moz posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
It does seem particularly odd that they've promoted the new look as being clearer. I don't see how 'light brown shading' is a clearer representation of sunshine than a sunshine symbol.
You've answered yourself below! It's clearer because it shows exact areas.
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I'm afraid I also don't buy the argument that the maps now show you exactly which areas will be sunny and which won't. They may give you that impression that they're more accurate in this respect, but is the forecasting itself more accurate to match this?
Yes of course it is! Are you seriously trying to say weather forecasting hasn't become more accurate than when the old symbols came in!!!?
Since the actual forecast is better, the representation should match this.
So you're telling me that the shading is exactly what will happen? The forecast can never be as precise as their maps now show. The new system is just going to highlight even more when they get it wrong... which they still do. It was supposed to be dry where I live this morning, and it was peeing down.
MA
Whether you meant to or not, you've just branded all elderly people as 'stupid'.
Perhaps you should be more careful with what you write.
Yes, 'ignorant' would have been a far more accurate word!
I did not brand all elderly people stupid. I said 'many elderly people', not 'all elderly people.' Perhaps you should read more carefully before replying next time.
And I stand by my comments. Many elderly people are easily confused and make mistakes they would not have done in their youth. Is isnt young people who send cheques to people who claim they have won a prize in a foreign lottery they didnt enter.
The big blue patches on the map could very easily be misread as flooded areas, especially at a time flooding does actually occur.
I notice from the 1457 forecast that a large area of the Atlantic is flooded.
dodrade posted:
Moz posted:
Dog posted:
dodrade posted:
Believe me there are people stupid enough to make that mistake, including many elderly people.
Whether you meant to or not, you've just branded all elderly people as 'stupid'.
Perhaps you should be more careful with what you write.
Yes, 'ignorant' would have been a far more accurate word!
I did not brand all elderly people stupid. I said 'many elderly people', not 'all elderly people.' Perhaps you should read more carefully before replying next time.
And I stand by my comments. Many elderly people are easily confused and make mistakes they would not have done in their youth. Is isnt young people who send cheques to people who claim they have won a prize in a foreign lottery they didnt enter.
The big blue patches on the map could very easily be misread as flooded areas, especially at a time flooding does actually occur.
I notice from the 1457 forecast that a large area of the Atlantic is flooded.
SP
Sput
marksi posted:
I notice from the 1457 forecast that a large area of the Atlantic is flooded.
Those poor fish!
NE
The wind arrows have completely perplexed me! It's also very confusing with the approach that bigger=faster (so no more actual speeds...) and that online and interactive arrows don't get bigger beyond 35 MPH but on TV they don't get bigger beyond 45MPH.
Oh, and we've also lost the sea-state (remember the little wobbly lines).
[ and it was curious watching South Today this morning with the on-screen summary (the continuous one, with the travel news and clock, I mean) using the old symbols and then the new weather system for the summary at the end]
Oh, and we've also lost the sea-state (remember the little wobbly lines).
[ and it was curious watching South Today this morning with the on-screen summary (the continuous one, with the travel news and clock, I mean) using the old symbols and then the new weather system for the summary at the end]
MO
So what you saying? They should use a p*ss poor system so they can cover up their mistakes?
It said it would be raining where I was, and it was! No complaints so far.
The other thing I notice is that before, I could quite easily watch a forecast and at the end find that it was a case of 'in one ear, out the other' - I had no recollection of what the weather would be like.
After watching one of the new forecasts, I can actually remember the little animation of the rain moving over Wrexham!
Change is inevitable - except from vending machines!
Spencer For Hire posted:
So you're telling me that the shading is exactly what will happen? The forecast can never be as precise as their maps now show. The new system is just going to highlight even more when they get it wrong... which they still do. It was supposed to be dry where I live this morning, and it was peeing down.
So what you saying? They should use a p*ss poor system so they can cover up their mistakes?
It said it would be raining where I was, and it was! No complaints so far.
The other thing I notice is that before, I could quite easily watch a forecast and at the end find that it was a case of 'in one ear, out the other' - I had no recollection of what the weather would be like.
After watching one of the new forecasts, I can actually remember the little animation of the rain moving over Wrexham!
Change is inevitable - except from vending machines!
TV
tvmercia
Founding member
it seems birmingham no longer exists as far as these maps are concerned. there are only 9 million people living in the midlands - many of whom work out where they are on the map in relation to birmingham. birmingham was even missing on midlands today lunchtime.
i can only conclude these graphics are designed to be pretty, to keep the people watching who are not interested in the weather.
i can only conclude these graphics are designed to be pretty, to keep the people watching who are not interested in the weather.
SP
So what you saying? They should use a p*ss poor system so they can cover up their mistakes?
No - just don't make your graphics more precise than your forecasting can be.
Moz posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
So you're telling me that the shading is exactly what will happen? The forecast can never be as precise as their maps now show. The new system is just going to highlight even more when they get it wrong... which they still do. It was supposed to be dry where I live this morning, and it was peeing down.
So what you saying? They should use a p*ss poor system so they can cover up their mistakes?
No - just don't make your graphics more precise than your forecasting can be.
BR
I must admit they are slightly better than I feared - and easier to understand than Sky - though some people will probably think the darker brown represents height, not cloud!
Slightly annoyed though at the constant "look at our new graphics" in today's forecasts though. The maps look OK, but the DAY/TIME graphic looks awful.
I don't think though it's not asking much for them to zoom out at the end and just place symbols on the map for a final summary.
P.S. Teletext has a feature on p131 about these now. They are taking the angle (no pun intended) that it's biased towards southern England and makes Scotland look significantly smaller than England.
Slightly annoyed though at the constant "look at our new graphics" in today's forecasts though. The maps look OK, but the DAY/TIME graphic looks awful.
I don't think though it's not asking much for them to zoom out at the end and just place symbols on the map for a final summary.
P.S. Teletext has a feature on p131 about these now. They are taking the angle (no pun intended) that it's biased towards southern England and makes Scotland look significantly smaller than England.