CA
It means light rain with sunny spells or, in other words, light showers. Pretty straightforward if you ask me and I'm sure many others will agree.
Right... so is that light rain in the morning, or light rain in the afternoon? For how long? How much cloud cover? Will it be sunny in the morning or the afternoon?
A black cloud, with sunbursts and rain tells me zip about that. It tells me ''in the 24 hour period, it will rain, be sunny, and be cloudy''. It does not tell me when exactly I'll get rain, for how long, etc.
The new graphics do.
Again, I think you're all whinging for the sake of it. I'm sure you'd have all cursed the introduction of computer graphics instead of magnetic clouds, and suchlike.
M@ posted:
It means light rain with sunny spells or, in other words, light showers. Pretty straightforward if you ask me and I'm sure many others will agree.
Right... so is that light rain in the morning, or light rain in the afternoon? For how long? How much cloud cover? Will it be sunny in the morning or the afternoon?
A black cloud, with sunbursts and rain tells me zip about that. It tells me ''in the 24 hour period, it will rain, be sunny, and be cloudy''. It does not tell me when exactly I'll get rain, for how long, etc.
The new graphics do.
Again, I think you're all whinging for the sake of it. I'm sure you'd have all cursed the introduction of computer graphics instead of magnetic clouds, and suchlike.
AN
Andrew
Founding member
I read this on another forum, don't know if there is any truth in it
"I'm a director at BBC Midlands and can confirm that the new Weather graphics start on Monday 16th and they are causing no end of problems for regions who use a back-projector and big-screen like we do. The graphics can hardly be seen. We are going back to chroma-keying the Weather maps into dark blue on the BS just so you can read them!"
"I'm a director at BBC Midlands and can confirm that the new Weather graphics start on Monday 16th and they are causing no end of problems for regions who use a back-projector and big-screen like we do. The graphics can hardly be seen. We are going back to chroma-keying the Weather maps into dark blue on the BS just so you can read them!"
TW
This graphics switch seem to be bringing more problems than they are advantages.
so why don't the Beeb wait until the graphics need a desperate change or get outdated? As far as I'm concerned there is currently consistently good presenting of the forecasts and I think that they should remain as they are.
Andrew posted:
I read this on another forum, don't know if there is any truth in it
"I'm a director at BBC Midlands and can confirm that the new Weather graphics start on Monday 16th and they are causing no end of problems for regions who use a back-projector and big-screen like we do. The graphics can hardly be seen. We are going back to chroma-keying the Weather maps into dark blue on the BS just so you can read them!"
"I'm a director at BBC Midlands and can confirm that the new Weather graphics start on Monday 16th and they are causing no end of problems for regions who use a back-projector and big-screen like we do. The graphics can hardly be seen. We are going back to chroma-keying the Weather maps into dark blue on the BS just so you can read them!"
This graphics switch seem to be bringing more problems than they are advantages.
so why don't the Beeb wait until the graphics need a desperate change or get outdated? As far as I'm concerned there is currently consistently good presenting of the forecasts and I think that they should remain as they are.
PO
From the clips I've just watched I am not at all impressed. Unless it's raining there's nothing else on the map! There's every chance you'll miss them "flying over" your area, and probably become sick at the twirling of the map!
Where's the wind speed and direction? Having them at the end in the summary boxes simply isn't good enough as the wind direction and speeds are different across the British Isles.
I always watch BBC weather because they show the isobars and have very clear symbols which only require a glance at to know what it means. Other tv stations cater for kiddy weather forecasting for those who don't understand isobars and who like the novelty of little moving raindrops etc.
I just don't understand why they feel the need to get rid of the symbols, it works perfectly well, and I would think they could (and probably will have to) build it into the graphics of this system to get the message across without confusing the majority of viewers.
I think this will fall flat with most viewers, like the changes they made when the Six O'Clock News weather was overhauled (in the mid-1980s) with "percentage chances" given instead of the symbols on a map - that didn't last long!
I did like the little globe at the start though!
Where's the wind speed and direction? Having them at the end in the summary boxes simply isn't good enough as the wind direction and speeds are different across the British Isles.
I always watch BBC weather because they show the isobars and have very clear symbols which only require a glance at to know what it means. Other tv stations cater for kiddy weather forecasting for those who don't understand isobars and who like the novelty of little moving raindrops etc.
I just don't understand why they feel the need to get rid of the symbols, it works perfectly well, and I would think they could (and probably will have to) build it into the graphics of this system to get the message across without confusing the majority of viewers.
I think this will fall flat with most viewers, like the changes they made when the Six O'Clock News weather was overhauled (in the mid-1980s) with "percentage chances" given instead of the symbols on a map - that didn't last long!
I did like the little globe at the start though!
PO
I don't see how anyone can say this is an improvement!
Have a look at the old map... look at the number of 'dark cloud+rain+sunshine' symbols. Now what the hell is that supposed to mean?
It's going to rain, be cloudy, and sunny?
Can't you see the pitfalls of that system?
The graphics show exactly when and exactly where it will be sunny, cloudy, whatever. I don't want a sodding raincloud over my city if it's not actually going to rain here, but will within the 40 mile radius that the cloud actually covers.
It isn't change for change's sake, it is a sensible approach to replaced a highly outdated system.
It's bloody obvious that black clouds with rain and sun means "sunshine and showers" - a weather phenomenon all too prevalent in the UK! As for the times - the hours moved so fast I couldn't keep track of the time and the blobs at the same time.
From the clips I've seen I just can't see how getting rid of the symbols helps to get the message across more clearly - sheer madness.
cat posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
antaragon posted:
Some cities seem to have changed in the maps: in the Europe one, we'll have Madrid instead of Lisbon:
Before
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/antaragon/EurSym.jpg
After
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/antaragon/Esp2.jpg
Before
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/antaragon/EurSym.jpg
After
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/antaragon/Esp2.jpg
I don't see how anyone can say this is an improvement!
Have a look at the old map... look at the number of 'dark cloud+rain+sunshine' symbols. Now what the hell is that supposed to mean?
It's going to rain, be cloudy, and sunny?
Can't you see the pitfalls of that system?
The graphics show exactly when and exactly where it will be sunny, cloudy, whatever. I don't want a sodding raincloud over my city if it's not actually going to rain here, but will within the 40 mile radius that the cloud actually covers.
It isn't change for change's sake, it is a sensible approach to replaced a highly outdated system.
It's bloody obvious that black clouds with rain and sun means "sunshine and showers" - a weather phenomenon all too prevalent in the UK! As for the times - the hours moved so fast I couldn't keep track of the time and the blobs at the same time.
From the clips I've seen I just can't see how getting rid of the symbols helps to get the message across more clearly - sheer madness.
MA
You've hit the nail on the head (apart from the embarassing spelling mistake!).
We're not weather-experts or interested in pressure charts, isobars or thermals.
For someone who has no interest in the weather you don't half like expressing an opinion on it. Don't judge everyone else by your own standards.
Dunedin posted:
Bail posted:
To be honest all people want to know is if they should put the washing out, what should we ware. A sun and a rain symbol do this fine.
You've hit the nail on the head (apart from the embarassing spelling mistake!).
We're not weather-experts or interested in pressure charts, isobars or thermals.
For someone who has no interest in the weather you don't half like expressing an opinion on it. Don't judge everyone else by your own standards.
SB
I would be very surprised if the BBC weather bosses hadn't taken into account that many people (especially the elderly) would complain about the weather symbols being dropped. I would expect that the traditional symbols have been redrawn for the new graphics package given this evidence from Weatherscape XP's own website:
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/plinth1.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/plinth2.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/plinth3.jpg
Why wouldn't the BBC use this feature of their new system if it is available to them?
I think it would be ideal for quick regional forecasts that happen during Breakfast.
Having said that, I'll reserve judgement until Monday. You never know, the symbols may pop up!
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/plinth1.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/plinth2.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/plinth3.jpg
Why wouldn't the BBC use this feature of their new system if it is available to them?
I think it would be ideal for quick regional forecasts that happen during Breakfast.
Having said that, I'll reserve judgement until Monday. You never know, the symbols may pop up!
SB
From what I've read on these forums, I am not expecting to see the symbols.
What I was trying to say was that the BBC still have this option to fall back onto if there are a hell of alot of complaints.
What I was trying to say was that the BBC still have this option to fall back onto if there are a hell of alot of complaints.
DU
You've hit the nail on the head (apart from the embarassing spelling mistake!).
We're not weather-experts or interested in pressure charts, isobars or thermals.
For someone who has no interest in the weather you don't half like expressing an opinion on it. Don't judge everyone else by your own standards.
I think my comment speaks for the majority of the population- a meteorologist's dream doesn't necessarily make for a good weather forcast.
marksi posted:
Dunedin posted:
Bail posted:
To be honest all people want to know is if they should put the washing out, what should we ware. A sun and a rain symbol do this fine.
You've hit the nail on the head (apart from the embarassing spelling mistake!).
We're not weather-experts or interested in pressure charts, isobars or thermals.
For someone who has no interest in the weather you don't half like expressing an opinion on it. Don't judge everyone else by your own standards.
I think my comment speaks for the majority of the population- a meteorologist's dream doesn't necessarily make for a good weather forcast.
BR
This graphics switch seem to be bringing more problems than they are advantages.
so why don't the Beeb wait until the graphics need a desperate change or get outdated? As far as I'm concerned there is currently consistently good presenting of the forecasts and I think that they should remain as they are.
Well, it's been at least a year since we first heard that these graphics were coming - and it's still not right.
Going on a slight curveball, but with VR now quite widespread it's a wonder no channel hasn't began doing a Fred and walking across a virtual Britain on the weather forecasts.
time_warp posted:
This graphics switch seem to be bringing more problems than they are advantages.
so why don't the Beeb wait until the graphics need a desperate change or get outdated? As far as I'm concerned there is currently consistently good presenting of the forecasts and I think that they should remain as they are.
Well, it's been at least a year since we first heard that these graphics were coming - and it's still not right.
Going on a slight curveball, but with VR now quite widespread it's a wonder no channel hasn't began doing a Fred and walking across a virtual Britain on the weather forecasts.