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Maaixuew
Not forgetting The Private Parts forum.
CO
Oh, that existed in 2001; it was just truly "private" then.
Not forgetting The Private Parts forum.
Oh, that existed in 2001; it was just truly "private" then.
NJ
Just because you don't watch doesn't mean anybody else isn't.
The TV world does not revolve around Brekkie.
Neil Jones
Founding member
That's reminded me to respond to the BBC's review of BBC News and BBC Parliament. A linear TV channel is not the way to cover Parliament, especially when nobody watches it!
Just because you don't watch doesn't mean anybody else isn't.
The TV world does not revolve around Brekkie.
BR
The ratings revolve around BARB though and the figures show the BBC dropped a channel which was getting a significantly bigger audience (ten times the size IIRC) in favour of keeping BBC Parliament. There is the old public service argument of course, but you have to ask if it is really in the public interest when the public show little interest in it.
IT
That's not really the point, Brekkie. Regardless of how many people view BBC Parliament on a regular basis, it's become an important feature of our democracy by making Parliament more accessible. I think going back to the odd hour here and there (such as for PMQs or the Budget) as we had prior to BBC Parliament would be a big step backwards.
itsrobert
Founding member
The ratings revolve around BARB though and the figures show the BBC dropped a channel which was getting a significantly bigger audience (ten times the size IIRC) in favour of keeping BBC Parliament. There is the old public service argument of course, but you have to ask if it is really in the public interest when the public show little interest in it.
That's not really the point, Brekkie. Regardless of how many people view BBC Parliament on a regular basis, it's become an important feature of our democracy by making Parliament more accessible. I think going back to the odd hour here and there (such as for PMQs or the Budget) as we had prior to BBC Parliament would be a big step backwards.
VM
What channel was this? Choice? Knowledge? I don't remember the BBC closing a channel to keep Parliament on the air.
the BBC dropped a channel which was getting a significantly bigger audience (ten times the size IIRC) in favour of keeping BBC Parliament.
What channel was this? Choice? Knowledge? I don't remember the BBC closing a channel to keep Parliament on the air.
BR
It's a topic we've covered before but I'm not saying the BBC should axe live streaming of parliament, just that BBC Parliament isn't the best way to do it.
I'd like to see Democracy Live replace it on TV - it woudn't be a full screen service, but it would offer live coverage of the Commons and Lords on Freeview, plus Europe, Scot/Wales/NI on Satellite in a similar set up to News Multiscreen, with a 24/7 presence on Sky/Cable/Online and presence on Freeview when Parliament is in session and outside of those hours covering other institutions where the time allows it - but giving up it's slot at weekends and for significant events (but not necessarily when Parliament is in session) where the licence fee payer is better served by that extra interactive stream on Freeview. (Ideally too in the Nations live coverage from the National Assembly/Parliament would replace the Lords on the Freeview multiscreen, but not sure if that is possible).
This would be complemented by enhanced political coverage on the BBC News Channel, where something like The Record would probably get a bigger audience than it currently does on BBC Parliament.
I'd like to see Democracy Live replace it on TV - it woudn't be a full screen service, but it would offer live coverage of the Commons and Lords on Freeview, plus Europe, Scot/Wales/NI on Satellite in a similar set up to News Multiscreen, with a 24/7 presence on Sky/Cable/Online and presence on Freeview when Parliament is in session and outside of those hours covering other institutions where the time allows it - but giving up it's slot at weekends and for significant events (but not necessarily when Parliament is in session) where the licence fee payer is better served by that extra interactive stream on Freeview. (Ideally too in the Nations live coverage from the National Assembly/Parliament would replace the Lords on the Freeview multiscreen, but not sure if that is possible).
This would be complemented by enhanced political coverage on the BBC News Channel, where something like The Record would probably get a bigger audience than it currently does on BBC Parliament.
NJ
Um, what channel did the BBC drop in favour of BBC Parliament?
The only thing that was dropped in any sense of your context was the extra video stream on Freeview, channel 302 to provide the extra bandwidth for a full screen Parliament service.
Whether the public are interested or not is beside the point. The service only passed to the BBC because the previous commercial runner of the service, the Parliament Channel, couldn't justify it commercially. BARB ratings are all very well and good but the BBC will get its money through the licence fee regardless of who watches BBC Parliament and the channel is probably dirt cheap to run anyway.
Apart from the fact the whole point of Democracy Live is that it is searchable and also on-demand which you can't do with your proposed solution...
Everytime this comes up, you propose the same ludricious timesharing on-a-whim situation between BBC Parliament and the long-gone second interactive stream on Freeview, which is pretty much more impractical than the current one of properly scheduling everything of importance that needs to be on 301 at the right time. Not withstanding the fact that any significant sporting events are either on other channels, on the main BBC One/Two networks anyway and what sport that was shown on 301/302 tended to be minority viewership anyway.
Neil Jones
Founding member
The ratings revolve around BARB though and the figures show the BBC dropped a channel which was getting a significantly bigger audience (ten times the size IIRC) in favour of keeping BBC Parliament. There is the old public service argument of course, but you have to ask if it is really in the public interest when the public show little interest in it.
Um, what channel did the BBC drop in favour of BBC Parliament?
The only thing that was dropped in any sense of your context was the extra video stream on Freeview, channel 302 to provide the extra bandwidth for a full screen Parliament service.
Whether the public are interested or not is beside the point. The service only passed to the BBC because the previous commercial runner of the service, the Parliament Channel, couldn't justify it commercially. BARB ratings are all very well and good but the BBC will get its money through the licence fee regardless of who watches BBC Parliament and the channel is probably dirt cheap to run anyway.
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I'd like to see Democracy Live replace it on TV - it woudn't be a full screen service, but it would offer live coverage of the Commons and Lords on Freeview, plus Europe, Scot/Wales/NI on Satellite in a similar set up to News Multiscreen, with a 24/7 presence on Sky/Cable/Online and presence on Freeview when Parliament is in session and outside of those hours covering other institutions where the time allows it - but giving up it's slot at weekends and for significant events (but not necessarily when Parliament is in session) where the licence fee payer is better served by that extra interactive stream on Freeview. (Ideally too in the Nations live coverage from the National Assembly/Parliament would replace the Lords on the Freeview multiscreen, but not sure if that is possible).
Apart from the fact the whole point of Democracy Live is that it is searchable and also on-demand which you can't do with your proposed solution...
Everytime this comes up, you propose the same ludricious timesharing on-a-whim situation between BBC Parliament and the long-gone second interactive stream on Freeview, which is pretty much more impractical than the current one of properly scheduling everything of importance that needs to be on 301 at the right time. Not withstanding the fact that any significant sporting events are either on other channels, on the main BBC One/Two networks anyway and what sport that was shown on 301/302 tended to be minority viewership anyway.