PH
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
AdamP posted:
I think you'll find it was the other way round. That's why the families are so angry with the company which owned the mine, and gave out the wrong information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
JA
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
The BBC reported the facts.
jay
Founding member
channel2tv posted:
AdamP posted:
I think you'll find it was the other way round. That's why the families are so angry with the company which owned the mine, and gave out the wrong information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
The BBC reported the facts.
BB
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
The BBC reported the facts.
Well, the BBC presented the facts according to reports from one of the families, and later continued to report that 12 of the 13 miners were indeed alive, based on the fact that all of the families were rejoicing at the news. I believe that most of the other news outlets did the same. It's unclear exactly where the "miscommunication" stemmed from, but the mining company didn't put out any official communications regarding the number of fatalities, and in fact was very careful not to correct the inaccurate reporting of the twelve survivors until it was absolutely certain of the exact details.
It's a bit too early to be pinning the blame on anyone though, as the sequence of events is far from clear at this stage.
jay posted:
channel2tv posted:
AdamP posted:
I think you'll find it was the other way round. That's why the families are so angry with the company which owned the mine, and gave out the wrong information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
The BBC reported the facts.
Well, the BBC presented the facts according to reports from one of the families, and later continued to report that 12 of the 13 miners were indeed alive, based on the fact that all of the families were rejoicing at the news. I believe that most of the other news outlets did the same. It's unclear exactly where the "miscommunication" stemmed from, but the mining company didn't put out any official communications regarding the number of fatalities, and in fact was very careful not to correct the inaccurate reporting of the twelve survivors until it was absolutely certain of the exact details.
It's a bit too early to be pinning the blame on anyone though, as the sequence of events is far from clear at this stage.
PH
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
The BBC reported the facts.
Facts that eventually became wrong.
jay posted:
channel2tv posted:
AdamP posted:
I think you'll find it was the other way round. That's why the families are so angry with the company which owned the mine, and gave out the wrong information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
It shows the importance of news organisations attributing their information.
I agree, and when BBC got it wrong, it shows something massive is wrong.
The BBC reported the facts.
Facts that eventually became wrong.
MO
I'm getting sick of this. Whether it's the media over-reacting or what but the way the relatives are supposedly complaining is sickening.
They were - mistakenly - told that all but one miner had survived, and this brought on celebration. What's wrong with them? One person was still dead, and it could have been their relative. When it turned out that it was the other way round they turn on the mine company.
It seems they are more upset about being told "lies" (can you believe they are accusing anyone of lying when it was purely a mistake!!?) than they are about losing their loved ones. Don't they think whoever it was who got it wrong isn't hurting enough as it is.
They should get on an grieve in a quiet, dignified manor and stop dirtying the names of the dead.
And don't get me started on the way the UK media report small accidents like this in the USA and relegate stories of scores of dead in Java lower down the news agenda...!
They were - mistakenly - told that all but one miner had survived, and this brought on celebration. What's wrong with them? One person was still dead, and it could have been their relative. When it turned out that it was the other way round they turn on the mine company.
It seems they are more upset about being told "lies" (can you believe they are accusing anyone of lying when it was purely a mistake!!?) than they are about losing their loved ones. Don't they think whoever it was who got it wrong isn't hurting enough as it is.
They should get on an grieve in a quiet, dignified manor and stop dirtying the names of the dead.
And don't get me started on the way the UK media report small accidents like this in the USA and relegate stories of scores of dead in Java lower down the news agenda...!
PH
The Java landslide received equal coverage, considering the circumstances surrounding this. Never since 2000 did miscommunication reached this stage. It is an important news.
And, it has been discovered that the mine company knew that 11 of the 12 miners were dead, and they sat on it for 4 hours. If this was something that came out of Yorkshire, I think you would be reactive to this as well.
Moz posted:
I'm getting sick of this. Whether it's the media over-reacting or what but the way the relatives are supposedly complaining is sickening.
They were - mistakenly - told that all but one miner had survived, and this brought on celebration. What's wrong with them? One person was still dead, and it could have been their relative. When it turned out that it was the other way round they turn on the mine company.
It seems they are more upset about being told "lies" (can you believe they are accusing anyone of lying when it was purely a mistake!!?) than they are about losing their loved ones. Don't they think whoever it was who got it wrong isn't hurting enough as it is.
They should get on an grieve in a quiet, dignified manor and stop dirtying the names of the dead.
And don't get me started on the way the UK media report small accidents like this in the USA and relegate stories of scores of dead in Java lower down the news agenda...!
They were - mistakenly - told that all but one miner had survived, and this brought on celebration. What's wrong with them? One person was still dead, and it could have been their relative. When it turned out that it was the other way round they turn on the mine company.
It seems they are more upset about being told "lies" (can you believe they are accusing anyone of lying when it was purely a mistake!!?) than they are about losing their loved ones. Don't they think whoever it was who got it wrong isn't hurting enough as it is.
They should get on an grieve in a quiet, dignified manor and stop dirtying the names of the dead.
And don't get me started on the way the UK media report small accidents like this in the USA and relegate stories of scores of dead in Java lower down the news agenda...!
The Java landslide received equal coverage, considering the circumstances surrounding this. Never since 2000 did miscommunication reached this stage. It is an important news.
And, it has been discovered that the mine company knew that 11 of the 12 miners were dead, and they sat on it for 4 hours. If this was something that came out of Yorkshire, I think you would be reactive to this as well.
PH
Where did you get this?
BBC LDN posted:
The local residents have apparently - and understandably, to some extent - taken the view that the mining company and the media are entirely to blame for the whole terrible misunderstanding, and are now demanding that the media leave the immediate vicinity.
Where did you get this?
BB
The Java landslide received equal coverage, considering the circumstances surrounding this. Never since 2000 did miscommunication reached this stage. It is an important news.
The Java landslide didn't get anywhere near this level of coverage, even on BBC World; and anytime I saw reports related to the landslide on News 24 or Sky News, it was in a "news in brief" context with barely 20 seconds of mention.
The US mine tragedy by comparison has been a leading story all day today.
channel2tv posted:
Moz posted:
I'm getting sick of this. Whether it's the media over-reacting or what but the way the relatives are supposedly complaining is sickening.
They were - mistakenly - told that all but one miner had survived, and this brought on celebration. What's wrong with them? One person was still dead, and it could have been their relative. When it turned out that it was the other way round they turn on the mine company.
It seems they are more upset about being told "lies" (can you believe they are accusing anyone of lying when it was purely a mistake!!?) than they are about losing their loved ones. Don't they think whoever it was who got it wrong isn't hurting enough as it is.
They should get on an grieve in a quiet, dignified manor and stop dirtying the names of the dead.
And don't get me started on the way the UK media report small accidents like this in the USA and relegate stories of scores of dead in Java lower down the news agenda...!
They were - mistakenly - told that all but one miner had survived, and this brought on celebration. What's wrong with them? One person was still dead, and it could have been their relative. When it turned out that it was the other way round they turn on the mine company.
It seems they are more upset about being told "lies" (can you believe they are accusing anyone of lying when it was purely a mistake!!?) than they are about losing their loved ones. Don't they think whoever it was who got it wrong isn't hurting enough as it is.
They should get on an grieve in a quiet, dignified manor and stop dirtying the names of the dead.
And don't get me started on the way the UK media report small accidents like this in the USA and relegate stories of scores of dead in Java lower down the news agenda...!
The Java landslide received equal coverage, considering the circumstances surrounding this. Never since 2000 did miscommunication reached this stage. It is an important news.
The Java landslide didn't get anywhere near this level of coverage, even on BBC World; and anytime I saw reports related to the landslide on News 24 or Sky News, it was in a "news in brief" context with barely 20 seconds of mention.
The US mine tragedy by comparison has been a leading story all day today.