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TV News: Continental Europe (was ProSieben News: New Look)

ProSieben's great new look and other Continental TV stations (December 2004)

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A former member
I almost forgot one of my favorite European sets, from Antena 3 in Spain:

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/A3TV/noticias/a3n01wtc01.jpg

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/A3TV/noticias/a3noticiasfs200101final.jpg
Source: zabalo.com

(It's real, BTW)
JA
Jakarta
I have to say that typically I don't prefer CSO newsrooms to the real thing since anyone can do CSO, but real effort and money goes into genuine newsrooms, BUT what ProSieben has done is exceptionally impressive and original too. All in all it's a good look and shouldn't date as fast as some real and CSO newsrooms generally do.

On that note I wish that the UK had the same quality commericial channels that Germany does, from what I have seen of them I do quite like them. I seriously hope that we are not that far off either from seeing actual, enjoyable, quality commercial channels on satelite that are real competitors to the likes of ITV1 and Channel, will that ever happen!?
MO
morgaineofevil
PRO SIEBEN!!
IT LOOKS much better than their old set!!!
i ws there last year and wasn't topo impressed with German tv
NG
noggin Founding member
Weather Man posted:
to be honest, the European studios are MOSTLY all virtual. Unlike our, go back in studios from virtual to normal to worse. At least ITV are using VR, but arn't doing a great job. But it is mostly German stations that use it.
PICS FROM ZABALO.COM

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/RTL/RTL/RTL-2002-aktuell-05.jpg
http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/RTL/RTL/RTL_Aktuell.jpg
http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/RTL/RTL/RTL-2002-aktuell-tiempo-02.jpghttp://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/RTL/RTL/RTL-2002-aktuell-tiempo-03.jpg
http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/ProSiebenSat1/ProSieben/Prosieben-2002-nachrichten-01-06.jpg
All above are German

They also make great use of plasma screens, unlike our loop of a fake newsroom.
http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/TVE/Informativos/tve1-rafaga-jenarocastro-01.jpg
All above are Spanish.

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/RAI/raidue/Raidue-2002-tg2-2030-cabecera-04.jpg
ITALY

Why cant the BBC or ITV do a decent studio to show up the continental europeans (ps, im not even going to go into RTE in Ireland's studio, as i think it is really bad!)


Err - those studios all look pretty hideous. If you have ever watched Rai Due news (the TG2 grab) you'll know how bad it is - very 80s. If course the recently relaunched TG La7 looks and sounds much nicer - they are finally into the 90s!

The virtual stuff - especially the weather - looked really tacky IMHO.
TE
TELEVISION
This is the best, from Italy -

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/Mediaset/Canale5/canale5-2002-tg5-cabecera-02.jpg

And this was the best from ITN. IMO, they made a mistake moving ITV News out of this studio -

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/ITN/itn03.jpg

Courtesy of Zabalo.
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A former member
Tele5's set (in TELEVISION's post) isn't bad, although it is not used effectively on-air, and the station's graphics are very outdated. Its sister station, Telecinco in Spain, has a more modern on-ar look, including better graphics:

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/Telecinco/InformativosT5/telecincoinformativos2001.htm
NG
noggin Founding member


Do you really think so? I saw the show from that set when I was in Rome and it was a bit of a joke. The video wall is too dominating, and the whole use of space is bizarre. The presenter looks like they are in the middle of an aircraft hangar. Certainly didn't appeal to me - and again looks incredibly 80s/early 90s.
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A former member
noggin posted:

Do you really think so? I saw the show from that set when I was in Rome and it was a bit of a joke. The video wall is too dominating, and the whole use of space is bizarre. The presenter looks like they are in the middle of an aircraft hangar. Certainly didn't appeal to me - and again looks incredibly 80s/early 90s.


I think a big reason the two of you perceive the set differently is the fact that the wide shot of the set (seen above) is considerably more effective than any other shot. Compare it with the anchor close-up:

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/Mediaset/Canale5/canale5-2002-tg5-cabecera-03.jpg
Source: zabalo.com

The set becomes totally irrelevant in this shot, and the lower-thirds are very outdated -- straight from the early 1990s, as noggin noticed. Which is a shame, since the set itself has potential if only the station used it better.
NG
noggin Founding member
WorldTVNews posted:
noggin posted:

Do you really think so? I saw the show from that set when I was in Rome and it was a bit of a joke. The video wall is too dominating, and the whole use of space is bizarre. The presenter looks like they are in the middle of an aircraft hangar. Certainly didn't appeal to me - and again looks incredibly 80s/early 90s.


I think a big reason the two of you perceive the set differently is the fact that the wide shot of the set (seen above) is considerably more effective than any other shot. Compare it with the anchor close-up:

http://www.zabalo.com/informativostv/images/Mediaset/Canale5/canale5-2002-tg5-cabecera-03.jpg
Source: zabalo.com

The set becomes totally irrelevant in this shot, and the lower-thirds are very outdated -- straight from the early 1990s, as noggin noticed. Which is a shame, since the set itself has potential if only the station used it better.


To be honest the wideshot doesn't work for me at all - it doesn't look impressive, it just looks like a news cliche. The close-up is quite bland, but far less OTT than the wide!

(From memory most of the italian news shows have very dated, "video cube" walls rather than large projectors or plasmas - which just add to that slightly "out of date" feel)
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A former member
noggin posted:

(From memory most of the italian news shows have very dated, "video cube" walls rather than large projectors or plasmas - which just add to that slightly "out of date" feel)


I've never understood why Italian TV news design tends to be so mediocre. After all, Italy is a wealthy country with an outstanding tradition of design, yet it has some of the worst on-air design in Europe, IMHO. Of the Mediterranean countries, French TV design leaves me underwhelmed (I know some love it), but I tend to like most Spanish and Portuguese design. The Portuguese have some of the best news sets in Europe and RTP's current look is just impressive.
TV
tvmercia Founding member
is it just me noticing a lack of widescreen here?
NG
noggin Founding member
WorldTVNews posted:
noggin posted:

(From memory most of the italian news shows have very dated, "video cube" walls rather than large projectors or plasmas - which just add to that slightly "out of date" feel)


I've never understood why Italian TV news design tends to be so mediocre. After all, Italy is a wealthy country with an outstanding tradition of design, yet it has some of the worst on-air design in Europe, IMHO. Of the Mediterranean countries, French TV design leaves me underwhelmed (I know some love it), but I tend to like most Spanish and Portuguese design. The Portuguese have some of the best news sets in Europe and RTP's current look is just impressive.


Many European countries don't have anywhere near as strong a tradition of TV craft skills as the UK. They often have very high pure technical standards, and high quality kit, but the actual quality of on-air camera work, design and direction, as well as location camera and editing, is often quite poor. They often seem far less ambitious in terms of production techniques - and don't use the best methods to actually tell the stories of the day.

In some countries the film and TV industries are much more closely aligned. This can be good in some cases (the Italians often light beautifully) - but bad in others, as film and TV camera work in studios is very different.

I was shocked at how little studio camera operators and gallery staff in some areas knew about their craft, but they had far higher levels of staff than an equivalent show would have in the UK in some areas (sound, lighting, cameras, gallery etc.) - yet their investment in graphics and editing was much less. Very different!

I have quite a soft spot for the way the French do some of their news programmes - very different to the UK, but stylish, and often not worse for being different. I find most German shows either brash or dull. Haven't watched much stuff from Portugal, the Spanish stuff I saw looked OK but nothing ground-breaking.

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