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TV coverage of the November and December Protests/Unrest in London (November 2010)

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BBC LDN
Pete posted:
BBC News channel seems to be 'burying its head in the sand'. While Sky News have camera shots on the ground up close showing the disturbances, the beeb seem to want to stay with a distant shot from their helicopter and a general attitude of 'not very much is happening'. Sky News all the way on this one.


or are Sky News are focusing on the violent fringe therefore getting a nice sensationalist angle?


No, they see that Television is a visual medium - and that the BBC sometimes need to realise the same.

BBC seem to have got their cameras in the action now, as Ben Brown just got hit by a plastic bottle (or it was very close to him!).

Ben Brown now wearing a crash helmet!


What on earth are you talking about? I've been watching the BBC News Channel for much of the afternoon, and they've had more than adequate coverage of the moments when things have kicked off. They had live footage of when mounted police charged the crowds on horseback, Ben Brown was in the thick of it when it looked like things were escalating with the lighting of a large fire which sent huge plumes of thick black smoke billowing upwards (it turned out to be nothing more than a large bin having been set alight, but that wasn't at all clear in the heat of the moment, yet the Beeb got stuck right into it, not 'sticking its head in the sand'), and there's been extensive coverage of the numerous skirmishes between protesters and police, and even Ben Brown's cameraman filming some 'protestors' breaking up concrete breezeblocks to be used as missiles to thrown into the crowds and at police.

There's been an enormous amount of footage from helicopter views, long-distance cameras and more than enough from in and around the crowds on the ground.

To suggest that BBC News hasn't been providing sufficient coverage of the more violent elements of the day is entirely wrong. The BBC would be entirely irresponsible to have focused any more heavily on those aspects, as it would have present an unnecessarily singular focus on those elements, rather than trying to provide a more complete and balanced perspective on what's happening. I think the majority of viewers actually appreciate knowing that not all of the protesters in London today have had violence in mind; there was a peaceful march earlier in the day, and there have been numerous ad hoc interviews with many protestors who have eloquently presented their opinions and reasons for protesting.

It's sad that you feel audiences would be better served by ignoring those elements and focusing even more heavily on the violence. Frankly, given how much you seem to be thirsting for the violence, you should really do us all a favour and head down to Parliament Square until you get smashed in the face by a breezeblock, a golf ball, or some of the other missiles that have been flung around today.
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Worzel
Pete posted:
BBC News channel seems to be 'burying its head in the sand'. While Sky News have camera shots on the ground up close showing the disturbances, the beeb seem to want to stay with a distant shot from their helicopter and a general attitude of 'not very much is happening'. Sky News all the way on this one.


or are Sky News are focusing on the violent fringe therefore getting a nice sensationalist angle?


No, they see that Television is a visual medium - and that the BBC sometimes need to realise the same.

BBC seem to have got their cameras in the action now, as Ben Brown just got hit by a plastic bottle (or it was very close to him!).

Ben Brown now wearing a crash helmet!


What on earth are you talking about? I've been watching the BBC News Channel for much of the afternoon, and they've had more than adequate coverage of the moments when things have kicked off. They had live footage of when mounted police charged the crowds on horseback, Ben Brown was in the thick of it when it looked like things were escalating with the lighting of a large fire which sent huge plumes of thick black smoke billowing upwards (it turned out to be nothing more than a large bin having been set alight, but that wasn't at all clear in the heat of the moment, yet the Beeb got stuck right into it, not 'sticking its head in the sand'), and there's been extensive coverage of the numerous skirmishes between protesters and police, and even Ben Brown's cameraman filming some 'protestors' breaking up concrete breezeblocks to be used as missiles to thrown into the crowds and at police.

There's been an enormous amount of footage from helicopter views, long-distance cameras and more than enough from in and around the crowds on the ground.

To suggest that BBC News hasn't been providing sufficient coverage of the more violent elements of the day is entirely wrong. The BBC would be entirely irresponsible to have focused any more heavily on those aspects, as it would have present an unnecessarily singular focus on those elements, rather than trying to provide a more complete and balanced perspective on what's happening. I think the majority of viewers actually appreciate knowing that not all of the protesters in London today have had violence in mind; there was a peaceful march earlier in the day, and there have been numerous ad hoc interviews with many protestors who have eloquently presented their opinions and reasons for protesting.

It's sad that you feel audiences would be better served by ignoring those elements and focusing even more heavily on the violence. Frankly, given how much you seem to be thirsting for the violence, you should really do us all a favour and head down to Parliament Square until you get smashed in the face by a breezeblock, a golf ball, or some of the other missiles that have been flung around today.


Right I've not said that 'BBC News hasn't been providing sufficient coverage' don't put spin on something I haven't said.

The News channel seemed to go through a bit of a lul between 6pm and 7:30pm - its picked up now.

Both channels have done well.

The only thing I disagree with is the fact that the news channel seem insistent on attempting to put out a TOTH headline sequence (with Bed, Wipes etc) whilst still trying to update the news at the same time, it causes all manner of issues with the on screen graphics being un co-ordinated and makes it all a bit disjointed at times. Sky just keep rolling without a form of TOTH, just the presenter saying 'It's 7pm this is Sky News' - rather than an attempted TOTH sequence.

Sky News' copter has been out above Oxford Street where another disturbance has broken out.

And response to your last 3 lines of rant, if you knew what my dayjob was you wouldn't be saying that I insight violence.
Last edited by Worzel on 9 December 2010 8:12pm
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Michael

BTW, where were all the demos when the previous Labour Government introduced tuition charges?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/639311.stm

Not on the same scale, but then £3,000 wasn't such a daunting prospect in a booming economy. £9,000 in an era of austerity certainly is.
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Worzel
Poor old Ben Brown just had a sticker stuck on him saying 'F**K' his expression as he pulled it off said it all. Wink
Last edited by Worzel on 9 December 2010 8:33pm
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Worzel
It appears Prince Charles and Camilla's car was subject to attack too.
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House
Ben Brown proving yet again that he's a much better correspondent and reporter than studio-based presenter. Tim and Sophie coping well as usual tonight.
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Worzel
House posted:
Ben Brown proving yet again that he's a much better correspondent and reporter than studio-based presenter. Tim and Sophie coping well as usual tonight.


I agree with your comments Smile
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Worzel
One question, how are the BBC and Sky linking the LIVE pictures back to their studios. I haven't seen any satellite trucks so how are they doing it?

I'm surprised the batteries on the cameras have gone flat yet!
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Right I've not said that 'BBC News hasn't been providing sufficient coverage' don't put spin on something I haven't said.

The News channel seemed to go through a bit of a lul between 6pm and 7:30pm - its picked up now.


What you said was:
"BBC News channel seems to be 'burying its head in the sand'. While Sky News have camera shots on the ground up close showing the disturbances, the beeb seem to want to stay with a distant shot from their helicopter and a general attitude of 'not very much is happening'. Sky News all the way on this one."

Given that there's been more than adequate coverage of what's been happening on the ground - whether violent or not - on the BBC News Channel, I still have no idea what on earth you're on about. If you'd like to clarify what you meant, then by all means do so, but don't complain that I'm putting words in your mouth if you haven't properly expressed what you meant.

Also, this 'lull' that you speak of between 1800 and 1930 wasn't mentioned in your earlier post, but again, I've no earthly idea what you're on about. Coverage of the violent aspects of the protests has obviously dipped at various points, but that's been mostly because there hasn't been any violence to show, and that's been obvious from the fact that correspondents have been able to take time out to speak with protestors.

There has to be some balance to what's shown; actively seeking out every little skirmish for the sake of 'providing sufficient coverage', as you put it, isn't exactly responsible reporting. But I didn't watch the Sky News coverage - so please enlighten me as to what you think was missing from the BBC News coverage that Sky's coverage provided. So far, all you've said was that that Sky had camera shots on the ground close to the disturbances - but so did the BBC. So... what else?
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Brekkie
Pete posted:
BBC News channel seems to be 'burying its head in the sand'. While Sky News have camera shots on the ground up close showing the disturbances, the beeb seem to want to stay with a distant shot from their helicopter and a general attitude of 'not very much is happening'. Sky News all the way on this one.


or are Sky News are focusing on the violent fringe therefore getting a nice sensationalist angle?


I'm just happy these mindless vandals are being identified on camera and will be brought to justice.

What idiots. Ruining their lives with criminal records.


Criminal records won't saddle you with £30k of debt though, unlike a degree!
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Worzel
Right I've not said that 'BBC News hasn't been providing sufficient coverage' don't put spin on something I haven't said.

The News channel seemed to go through a bit of a lul between 6pm and 7:30pm - its picked up now.


What you said was:
"BBC News channel seems to be 'burying its head in the sand'. While Sky News have camera shots on the ground up close showing the disturbances, the beeb seem to want to stay with a distant shot from their helicopter and a general attitude of 'not very much is happening'. Sky News all the way on this one."

Given that there's been more than adequate coverage of what's been happening on the ground - whether violent or not - on the BBC News Channel, I still have no idea what on earth you're on about. If you'd like to clarify what you meant, then by all means do so, but don't complain that I'm putting words in your mouth if you haven't properly expressed what you meant.

Also, this 'lull' that you speak of between 1800 and 1930 wasn't mentioned in your earlier post, but again, I've no earthly idea what you're on about. Coverage of the violent aspects of the protests has obviously dipped at various points, but that's been mostly because there hasn't been any violence to show, and that's been obvious from the fact that correspondents have been able to take time out to speak with protestors.

There has to be some balance to what's shown; actively seeking out every little skirmish for the sake of 'providing sufficient coverage', as you put it, isn't exactly responsible reporting. But I didn't watch the Sky News coverage - so please enlighten me as to what you think was missing from the BBC News coverage that Sky's coverage provided. So far, all you've said was that that Sky had camera shots on the ground close to the disturbances - but so did the BBC. So... what else?


Dipping in to both channels, Sky News seem to be 'in the action' a lot more whereas BBC News seem to plonk themselves way behind the Police lines a lot of the time, often some way away from whats happening. (I understand this maybe due to safety constraints and the BBC probably have different ways of doing things). Sky have also had a selection of guests from the MET Police, to politicians joining them throughout the evening at the Sky News Centre studios, BBC haven't.

Also you say you haven't watched Sky News' coverage - so how can you compare the 2?

I'm not saying that any team has done better than the other. Ben Brown's reporting has been excellent for the BBC News channel (& Mike Sergeant as well - dont know if he is a general reporter or a correspondent of sorts) as well as Mark White for Sky News.

Sky also have made better use of their helicopter this evening (not sure if the BBC's is up as they seem to be using some distant shot of the Westmister Bridge).

Sky news were also reporting the AP story about Charles and Camilla nearly 45 minutes before the BBC started refferring to it.

On another note LDN, you may be able to answer a question. How are the BBC and Sky linking the LIVE footage from the ground to their galleries/studios?
Last edited by Worzel on 9 December 2010 9:31pm
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excel99
Be interesting to see what BBC News Channel does at 10pm. Students still being held on Westminster Bridge

Chance nothing significant happens and the protestors go home peacefully?

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