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News Teams/Satellite Trucks were attacked. (August 2011)

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GE
thegeek Founding member
I think Blackberry Messenger should be suspended for the time being, and its wrong that it cannot be traced. However I think its even worse that the media felt it was appropriate to report that because a lot of people won't have actually known but now everyone does.
Channel 4 News have some good analysis on this: basically, switching it off is probably out of the question, but police are using Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act* to get messages from BBM.

* the same law that News International are accused of breaking, oddly enough.
MA
Markymark
Actually, given the idea among most people that the riots were all being set up via Facebook and Twitter, there was virtually no sensible information being sent around on either site as far as I could make out. I was in one of the newsrooms trying to keep track of rumours and tip-offs being spread on twitter and frankly, for every "tip-off" on twitter there was another tweet saying it was rubbish.


There's a story in one of John Simpson's books that shortly after he joined the BBC in 1966, there was a fire in a building opposite Broadcasting House. The editor of radio news refused to run the story until it was verified by two news agencies, despite the fact it was perfectly clear the building was on fire from the newsroom window !

I'm not suggesting a return to that sort of practice, but. . .
GE
thegeek Founding member
Radio 4's Media Show will have an interview with Sky's Mark Stone this afternoon. They're on air at 1330.
EX
excel99
Daily Politics on BBC2 at 11am tomorrow for the parliamentary recall
AG
AxG
All these riots getting me down, put this site is rather funny. Smile

http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/
AZ
Azimuth
A bit off-topic, but..
Is there such a thing as a "low-power RF neutraliser"? I believe that some West-End theatres are able to switch on a piece of kit that effectively prevents mobiles ruining the on-stage performance.

If there was, then perhaps the Police could operate a (say) 1 mile RF exclusion-zone only on the mobile frequencies.

Perhaps an official "Your licence will be revoked if you don't turn your nearest cells off in the area" statement to the mobile operators, but ONLY in the particular area where the 'troubles' are happening.

This would prevent the alleged organisers contacting their troops elsewhere. There would be no lack-of free-speech concern, because the telephone boxes would still be available (if they hadn't been destroyed by the.... oh dear....

The Media would have access to their own frequencies anyway...
NG
noggin Founding member
A bit off-topic, but..
Is there such a thing as a "low-power RF neutraliser"? I believe that some West-End theatres are able to switch on a piece of kit that effectively prevents mobiles ruining the on-stage performance.

If there was, then perhaps the Police could operate a (say) 1 mile RF exclusion-zone only on the mobile frequencies.

Perhaps an official "Your licence will be revoked if you don't turn your nearest cells off in the area" statement to the mobile operators, but ONLY in the particular area where the 'troubles' are happening.

This would prevent the alleged organisers contacting their troops elsewhere. There would be no lack-of free-speech concern, because the telephone boxes would still be available (if they hadn't been destroyed by the.... oh dear....

The Media would have access to their own frequencies anyway...


I have a pretty strong feeling that the use of such devices is currently illegal in the UK.
AZ
Azimuth
Fair point, however the "Home Office" do control frequency allocation and there must be a few words lost in the small print of the operator's licence saying that.... "under the direction of the Minister.... etc... "National Requirement"..... "needs Must"..... " and...

"if you want the next renewal you'll co-operate... (hint).... "

Oh look, we have a technical reason to turn it off for a brief period....
RE
remlap
I was under the impression the Home Office does not control frequency allocation that would be Department for Culture and Ofcom.
MA
Markymark
I think Blackberry Messenger should be suspended for the time being, and its wrong that it cannot be traced. However I think its even worse that the media felt it was appropriate to report that because a lot of people won't have actually known but now everyone does.
Channel 4 News have some good analysis on this: basically, switching it off is probably out of the question, but police are using Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act* to get messages from BBM.


One problem is that BBM can work with PAYG tariffs ? Perhaps BBM, and also Twitter and Facebook need some sort of traceability, by means of registration via a credit or debit card, or Pay Pal account. That gives some form of traceability, or at least more than is possible at present, particularly with FB and Twitter. Blocking the ability to send multiple SMS might be prudent too.

The phone mfrs/ISPs/mobile networks etc I feel have some responsibility to make some real attempt to reduce the abuse of their products. Ironic really given their stores are the primary targets for destruction and looting !
WW
WW Update
Perhaps BBM, and also Twitter and Facebook need some sort of traceability, by means of registration via a credit or debit card, or Pay Pal account.


Requiring credit card information for social networking sounds really Big Brotherish to me. Also, wouldn't users just switch to new social networks if, say, Facebook were to adopt such a policy?

Unless, of course, you want the State to enforce such traceability across the board -- which I would consider an absolutely unacceptable intrusion of the State into the private sphere and the lives of law-abiding citizens (and their ability to make their own decisions). Besides, how could you even do it given the Internet's global nature?

Increasing the power of the State, especially in the area of speech, can have serious repercussions down the road.
Last edited by WW Update on 10 August 2011 3:18pm
MA
Markymark
Perhaps BBM, and also Twitter and Facebook need some sort of traceability, by means of registration via a credit or debit card, or Pay Pal account.


Requiring credit card information for social networking sounds really Big Brotherish to me. Also, wouldn't users just switch to new social networks if, say, Facebook were to adopt such a policy?

Unless, of course, you want the State to enforce such traceability across the board -- which I would consider an absolutely unacceptable intrusion of the State into the private sphere and the lives of law-abiding citizens (and their ability to make their own decisions).


Being hit on the head by a brick, and having your home torched is an unacceptable intrusion too I'm afraid.

What I'm suggesting is no different in principle to BT passing on your details should you make illegal use of your telephone (which they would do), are you saying to me it's 'unacceptable intrusion' for BT to know your bank account details too ?

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