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DD
DarkestDreams
Smoke still pouring out over SW London, and sirens everywhere. Does suggest some kind of media blackout; blanket coverage has turned to almost silence within a few hours, and friends are saying that the noise is horrendous across other parts of the city.
DV
dvboy
If there has been a media blackout then events in the West Midlands has proved it has very little effect - pretty much all trouble has ended here now despite being covered on the BBC, Sky, Al Jazeera.

Sounds to me like any events in London are relatively minor compared to yesterday's, and those in Manchester and Birmingham where I think we've probably seen the worst tonight. This could be because of a threefold increase in police presence, or simply a natural end to the problems? There were pictures from Canning Town on Sky earlier of really not much happening. Why would the Skycopter be there if there were more serious things happening elsewhere?

Information saves lives. Had I not seen on TV that things were going on in certain parts of Birmingham tonight, I would not have been able to tell my flatmate to stay wherever he was until it had died down, otherwise he may have walked right into the trouble.

People will always complain about places getting less coverage than others, I've seen complaints on twitter about lack of coverage from Liverpool for example. Likewise last night there were complaints that Birmingham wasn't getting any coverage last night but there was trouble from 7pm right through the night. News outlets are always accused of a London bias because that's the easiest place to cover. I'm sure the news outlets give the most serious events the most coverage when they are able to.

What have BBC London, ITV London and LBC been doing? From the impression I get, mostly reflection on last night and the clean-up today.
DO
dosxuk
Asia Business Report going out on the BBC NC.
MW
Mike W
Special titles on London Tonight - images of the riots inserted in place of the usual location shots in the titles. Looked pretty seamless which makes me wonder whether the titles are designed to have that done more often, they do look pretty basic compared to the old greeny/grey titles? First time I've seen it done anyway.

I guess though the regional titles are just a template retooled for each region, so shouldn't be too difficult to update images - it's whether the regions can do it themselves or whether it has to go back to the initial creators to do.

Any news yet on planned coverage of parliament on Thursday - I assume BBC2 will do something.


They are, but only on Final Cut Pro, which not all regions have. And not all regions were sent the template either. Some regions have changed their titles since 2008 (BBC South for example), most haven't.


I think Brekkie and Buster were talking about ITV regions rather then BBC regions?


ITV have a template system in Viz.
BB
BBC LDN
Smoke still pouring out over SW London, and sirens everywhere. Does suggest some kind of media blackout; blanket coverage has turned to almost silence within a few hours, and friends are saying that the noise is horrendous across other parts of the city.


Where in SW London? I've been in more or less continuous contact with friends for the last six hours or so in Tooting, Wimbledon, Putney, Kingston-upon-Thames, Surbiton, Twickenham, Feltham and Hounslow (as well as those in other parts of the capital such as Epping, Crystal Palace, Norwood, Croydon and Ealing), and I myself am in Richmond-upon-Thames, and the story in all of these cases is pretty much the same: a considerable police presence, with occasional sirens blaring past, but nothing really happening. Reinforcements appear to have been brought in to problem areas where things appear to be reaching a flashpoint... but it's not fair to assume that that's happening because the situation is escalating out of control - in many situations that I've seen and heard of, police numbers have been boosted as a result of specific police intelligence, or tweets, Facebook and BBM messages sent to the Met by the public, as a preventative and deterrent measure, rather than being too litttle too late.

Have a look at hashtags #londonriots #hounslow for an example of how wrong Twitter has been in communicating the seriousness of an apparent situation. For hours on end, Twitter was awash with claims that BBM had been flooded with calls to congregate at Hounslow Bus Garage from 2200. Nothing materialised, yet people were still then tweeting that Hounslow had been "hit", was "going down" etc. The worst event that I've been able to find any hint of was that at one point a bus shelter was on fire in Hounslow West; for those that aren't familiar with the local geography, Hounslow West is actually a seperate town centre to Hounslow - a couple of miles away from Hounslow town centre, and from Hounslow Bus Garage. Trying to connect this isolated event to a supposedly massive gathering of rioters over two miles away - which, by all reliable accounts, didn't happen - isn't just disingenous; it's delusional at best. In other words, nothing to see ehre.

Have a look too at #londonriots #kingston; Twitter was flooded with retweets of the same message for hours on end: "EVERYBODY MEET AT KINGSTON TRAIN STATION AT 8:30PM; GOING HARD TONIGHT!! #londonriots". Again, nothing materialised, and yet again, fools were tweeting that the Bentall Centre had been raided, that there were running battles in the high street etc.

And look also at #londonriots #putney; here, pictures were tweeted of boarded up buildings and shops towards Putney Bridge and on the Upper Richmond Road. These pictures were presented in a way that suggested destruction had already been wrought upon Putney, when in fact many if not most shops in Putney closed between 1500 and 1600, with many stores choosing to remove stock and non-essential equipment, and a number of other premises including the Post Office and Halfords chose to board up their windows and doors.

Tonight, along the South Circular and Lower Mortlake Road there have been police cars and ambulances circulating periodically, but in no greater volumes than one would expect on an ordinary week night.

There have been sporadic pockets of violence and tensions in some parts of London. In Enfield, Guardian journalist Paul Lewis observed a 'vigilante crowd' which had been amassed using social networks; the aim was to gather a large group of local people together to stand their ground in case of further attacks. Despite Twitter blowing this gathering out of proportion - and Chinese whispers again getting out of hand, describing huge battles between rioters and hundreds of vigilantes - Paul Lewis explained that there were less than 100 local 'vigilantes' and they dealt swiftly with the very small and limited numbers of young people thinking they could have a go.

In Eltham, in south east London, there were some scenes of clashes between rioters, police and local vigilante groups, but these images received considerable playout on the news channels, so it can hardly be said that they've been silenced.

The biggest problem here is not merely the spreading of misinformation, but the fact that as people read tales of how bad things are getting out there, and share them with their friends, it breeds a state of greater fear, and the lack of any corroborating evidence to support the claims of friends (sources which people of course inherently trust) on the news channels or news websites leads people to believe that there's a media blackout, or a conspiracy, or a wilful misrepresentation of important events to silence the voices that are trying to be heard etc.

And thus, even though Argos wasn't looted in Hounslow, and Asda's Hounslow store didn't burn down, because the information was shared between trusted sources - from friend to friend - people believe that it did, and they get frustrated when they don't see this news being shared with the world on Sky News, or when they don't hear about it on 5 Live, or when they don't read about it in the newspapers.

I haven't seen or heard anything from anyone anywhere that suggests that southwest London is in anything like the state that some people would apparently like to believe it is. If there is real evidence to support these claims that SW London is perishing in flames or is drowning in a sea of sirens, then I suggest you get it on Twitter or share it here for us all to see.

But I have a fairly decent vantage point where I am across a lot of southwest London; I have a clear line of sight towards Heston in the west, and Wembley towards the northwest; Sheen, Mortlake and Putney are just down the road, and towards Kingston and Roehampton across Richmond Park to the south. At this time of night, one can ordinarily hear the noise of a passing night bus cutting through the extreme quiet of suburbia, with the roar of its engine audible for a good 60-90 seconds, depending on fast it approaches and whether or not it stops at nearby traffic signals or bus stops. ,A police or ambulance siren can often be heard for 40-50 seconds from its most distant origin to the point at which it passes closest, and then heads off into the distance, and you can bet your butt that the sound of an emergency siren hacks through the silent midnight air in a way that makes it noticeable to all but the dead. To put it simply, from where I am, sound travels incredibly well from some distance around, thanks in no small part to the geography of the area, and my elevated vantage point. Sticking my head out of the window now, there's almost complete silence. No sirens, no thugs rampaging, no crashing of glass, no stench of smoke in the air, no fires visible in the distance within my lines of sight.

If the situation were as dire as you make out, I'd expect to hear, see or smell SOMETHING to indicate that things are amiss - but if I didn't know that there had been riots across London over the past few nights, I'd have no reason whatsoever to believe that tonight was no different to any other night in this part of town, and for miles around.

I'm frankly getting rather bored of seeing just how excited some people get at the idea that these scenes are getting close to their doorsteps, and manufacturing stories in the apparent hope that these prophecies will fulfil themselves - and we're now way past the point where people should shut the fu.ck up unless they've actually got something concrete and irrefutable to contribute, instead of passing on heresay with no basis in fact whatsoever, in the hope that they'll scare others.

The story tonight in London is that things are much, much, MUCH quieter than they were last night; while in numerous other UK cities, the story is a good deal worse. The story therefore has to move on. It's not a conspiracy, it's not a cover-up, it's not a case of big problems being ignored by the media. There's simply not enough to report here in London while things are much more serious in Manchester, Liverpool and Nottingham tonight.
DV
dvboy
@adilray Adil Ray tweets:
Completey disagree with Sangat TV giving out name of dead man without knowing if his parents know. then showing live grieving pictures of brother

Adil Ray then tells The Guardian's @PaulLewis:
40-50 asians outside city hospital..entrance guarded by riot police.. rather irate presenter (at rest of media) announces that
... a young man had died and names him.. followed by loud crying and howling from man (brother?) in crowd.
someone then has sense to stop live coverage.. Thats what I have seen. Twitter suggesting one man had died earlier.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Just catching up on a few days of this thread. In case anyone still cares...
Phillipa Thomas Live on the ground in Hackney on the BBC News channel in the thick of it - excellent to have a back on the UK News channel - she's doing a fantastic job on the scene.

How are Sky and the BBC linking the Live cameras on the ground to their news centres - surely too risky to have the satellite trucks nearby baring in mind what happened to one of the BBC's sat trucks on Saturday. Gigabit receivers on their helicopters?
The BBC's truck was parked at Clapton Square, right across the road from the police station - near enough the action on Clarence Road, but presumably deemed to be a safe place for the truck.

On BBC earlier they had a shot of three helicopters, all flying at different altitudes.

I suspect London Air Traffic Control will have some sort of say in it!


David posted:
BIt of a messy ending to the BBC News Special there. Was it meant to end in silence? It looks like the BBC News endcap came in too early as well.

I had just turned on the TV at that point - to the news channel - and thought it rather odd. (The "coverage continues throughout the day on the news channel" line did give me a big hint as to what was going on)

Also, a hearty +1 to BBC LDN's post above. London was eerily quiet last night - I was around Piccadilly Circus, and there were noticeably fewer tourists on the street, and the landlord of the pub I was in was looking a bit nervous, and began moving furniture in from outside. When I got back to nearer my flat, pretty much all the shops and pubs were closed or boarded up, and there weren't many people on the streets. I think the extra police presence (I saw three Northumbria Police public order vans at the end of my road) really did keep things quiet in London - though possibly the news of all the heavies being in London is what sparked the disorder elsewhere.
Last edited by thegeek on 10 August 2011 9:35am
MA
Markymark


Also, a hearty +1 to BBC LDN's post above. London was eerily quiet last night - I was around Piccadilly Circus, and there were noticeably fewer tourists on the street, and the landlord of the pub I was in was looking a bit nervous, and began moving furniture in from outside. When I got back to nearer my flat, pretty much all the shops and pubs were closed or boarded up, and there weren't many people on the streets. I think the extra police presence (I saw three Northumbria Police public order vans at the end of my road) really did keep things quiet in London - though possibly the news of all the heavies being in London is what sparked the disorder elsewhere.


In our town last night, (40 miles from London) there was 'internet chatter' that trouble was brewing. There was a large (for our town) police presence at the retail park. I'm told there were then social networking postings later on stating there was a riot in progress. Nothing of the sort happened.

It seems to me that social networking is becoming a menace on three levels:-

1: As a direct method to organise trouble
2: As a rumour mill, impossible to separate fact from fiction
3: Not crime related at all, but just a time consuming distraction, that seems to be drawing people in to an addiction level, and creating individuals that can only seem to relate to the world via their fcuking smart phone (whether the use is 'good' or 'bad').

It's becoming a serious worry in my opinion, what ever happened to real face to face interaction ?
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Anyway, way off topic for this forum, so I'll shut up now. . .
IT
itsrobert Founding member


Also, a hearty +1 to BBC LDN's post above. London was eerily quiet last night - I was around Piccadilly Circus, and there were noticeably fewer tourists on the street, and the landlord of the pub I was in was looking a bit nervous, and began moving furniture in from outside. When I got back to nearer my flat, pretty much all the shops and pubs were closed or boarded up, and there weren't many people on the streets. I think the extra police presence (I saw three Northumbria Police public order vans at the end of my road) really did keep things quiet in London - though possibly the news of all the heavies being in London is what sparked the disorder elsewhere.


In our town last night, (40 miles from London) there was 'internet chatter' that trouble was brewing. There was a large (for our town) police presence at the retail park. I'm told there were then social networking postings later on stating there was a riot in progress. Nothing of the sort happened.

It seems to me that social networking is becoming a menace on three levels:-

1: As a direct method to organise trouble
2: As a rumour mill, impossible to separate fact from fiction
3: Not crime related at all, but just a time consuming distraction, that seems to be drawing people in to an addiction level, and creating individuals that can only seem to relate to the world via their fcuking smart phone (whether the use is 'good' or 'bad').

It's becoming a serious worry in my opinion, what ever happened to real face to face interaction ?
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Anyway, way off topic for this forum, so I'll shut up now. . .


I'm in complete agreement with you, Mark. Something needs to be done about social media, but short of banning access to it in the UK - making us no better than somewhere like China or Iran - I don't see what can be done. I too am worried about it. At least during the riots in the 1980s people only had TV news reports (not rolling news) which were editorially filtered and reported with a sense of calm rather than urgency - or landline phones, which by their very nature couldn't be used outside of a home. Once youths were on the streets then there was no way of communicating with each other. As a result of the widespread use of mobile phones and now social networking I'm not surprised that the riots are much worse in 2011. The rioters are constantly one step ahead of the police and the endless falsehoods reported on Twitter are merely fuelling the fire. But, because of civil liberties there's nothing that can be done.
BA
Badger264
The Salford/Manchester riots were definitly the cause of social media. The Salford ones were allover Twitter for around midday but nothing initially happened. Once the rumours got going, then that's when people started to go to see and ultimately got invovled. There were actually two riots in Salford, the other one hasn't been reported because they 'only' damaged a shop window and a car but they moved on into Manchester City Centre which is 2 minutes away from the initial damage.

You can't ban social media and for every negative there are a hundred positives e.g. the clean up organisations or going completely away from the riots, retweeting charity organisations. Its just one of those things, but better regulation is needed. Someone in Glasgow was arrested for attempting to cause a riot there via Facebook and its these kinds of examples that are needed to begin to reign in the problem. Otherwise it will just become out of control.

I think Blackberry Messenger should be suspended for the time being, and its wrong that it cannot be traced. However I think its even worse that the media felt it was appropriate to report that because a lot of people won't have actually known but now everyone does.
RO
roxuk
Smoke still pouring out over SW London, and sirens everywhere. Does suggest some kind of media blackout; blanket coverage has turned to almost silence within a few hours, and friends are saying that the noise is horrendous across other parts of the city.


Did this come to anything today?

Nothing on the news about SW London or from London Fire, or the Met. There was a fire in Wandsworth, by the shopping centre, but that was quickly put out that's all I know about.

There were so many rumours and misinformation and misinterpretation last night in london it must have been very hard for newsrooms to keep track.
DE
deejay
Actually, given the idea among most people that the riots were all being set up via Facebook and Twitter, there was virtually no sensible information being sent around on either site as far as I could make out. I was in one of the newsrooms trying to keep track of rumours and tip-offs being spread on twitter and frankly, for every "tip-off" on twitter there was another tweet saying it was rubbish.

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