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(August 2020)

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LL
London Lite Founding member
I'd speculate that C5's most watched daily 'news' programme is the Jeremy Vine show which mixes news and topical material with entertaining conversation.

Considering the format has been around since 2000 with The Wright Stuff, it's cheap, cheerful and meets commitments to provide viewers with current affairs, so you could continue with one live show per weekday and then use the budget for docs.
EX
excel99
The 2058 news headlines is probably the top rated news/current affairs on Channel 5

Every week on Digital Spy Forums, a summary of the top ratings is posted for each channel (short bulletins excluded). Rare for either 5 News or Jeremy Vine to feature, but if any news/current affairs output does feature, it's normally Five News at 5. (These are full programme ratings, so it could be that Jeremy Vine reaches more viewers over 2 hours)
AN
Andrew Founding member
Brekkie posted:


It certainly lost it's way by the time Sky took over and never really found it again. Arguably using the BBC cast offs has just left it as a functional bulletin rather than trying to do something others aren't. Of course too over the noughties especially the BBC and more specifically ITV and C4 adapted so much of what C5 were doing that C5 lost it's USP anyway.

The BBC and ITV have since moved away from that style of presentation, and particularly ITV is now entirely desk bound again, so there was an opportunity for Channel 5 to move back to its original format.

Would walking around a newsroom, sitting on desks, with bright colours and upbeat music still look right in 2020 or seem dated?

As others have said though, the current format is just as a functional service, with no USP and just to fill the quota
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JO
Jonwo
excel99 posted:
The 2058 news headlines is probably the top rated news/current affairs on Channel 5

Every week on Digital Spy Forums, a summary of the top ratings is posted for each channel (short bulletins excluded). Rare for either 5 News or Jeremy Vine to feature, but if any news/current affairs output does feature, it's normally Five News at 5. (These are full programme ratings, so it could be that Jeremy Vine reaches more viewers over 2 hours)


TBF Newsnight doesn't feature in BBC Two's top 15 nor does Channel 4 News on Channel 4 apart from maybe a handful of times.
SO
Soupnzi
At 5pm, 5 News can get anything from 250-450k; it was harmed a bit by the Downing St press conferences, but that’s a higher average rating than Sky News gets at any hour. Jeremy Vine usually gets around 250-350k.

However think the 1830 programme rating only ranges from 70k-180k
NL
Ne1L C
all new Phil posted:
London Lite posted:
C5's strongest point is their factual documentary strands. If C5 were allowed to replace their news obligation with topical docs instead, it'd be an improvement on the current situation.

Interesting idea. You have to wonder what the point is in insisting on a news service that few people watch.

On the point of trust in news, it’s pretty clear that trust has declined whilst social media has grown. The biggest irony is that those with the least trust seem to get their “news” from the most dubious places. I do feel that we’re reaching somewhat of a turning point and contrary to some of the arguments here, I actually think that the cuts to the BBC may restore trust overall. My biggest issue with it is that it feels bloated. In my job I have to work efficiently, minimising waste and maximisIng productivity, and I’d guess that the vast majority of viewers work in a similar environment. For better or worse that’s the way of the world now and I don’t feel like the BBC reflects that.


While I agree with reducing the excess waste there is I feel a danger that the cuts could go too far and lead to an emasculated BBC news

As regards C5. Would jettisoning the news lead to them losing their slot on the EPG's or does that only apply to BBC and ITV?
LL
London Lite Founding member
Ne1L C posted:
all new Phil posted:
London Lite posted:
C5's strongest point is their factual documentary strands. If C5 were allowed to replace their news obligation with topical docs instead, it'd be an improvement on the current situation.

Interesting idea. You have to wonder what the point is in insisting on a news service that few people watch.

On the point of trust in news, it’s pretty clear that trust has declined whilst social media has grown. The biggest irony is that those with the least trust seem to get their “news” from the most dubious places. I do feel that we’re reaching somewhat of a turning point and contrary to some of the arguments here, I actually think that the cuts to the BBC may restore trust overall. My biggest issue with it is that it feels bloated. In my job I have to work efficiently, minimising waste and maximisIng productivity, and I’d guess that the vast majority of viewers work in a similar environment. For better or worse that’s the way of the world now and I don’t feel like the BBC reflects that.


While I agree with reducing the excess waste there is I feel a danger that the cuts could go too far and lead to an emasculated BBC news

As regards C5. Would jettisoning the news lead to them losing their slot on the EPG's or does that only apply to BBC and ITV?


Not if C5 were given approval to provide alternative PSB programming, such as the topical docs I suggested.

PSB isn't just about providing a threadbare news service that has low ratings.
AN
all new Phil
Ne1L C posted:
all new Phil posted:
London Lite posted:
C5's strongest point is their factual documentary strands. If C5 were allowed to replace their news obligation with topical docs instead, it'd be an improvement on the current situation.

Interesting idea. You have to wonder what the point is in insisting on a news service that few people watch.

On the point of trust in news, it’s pretty clear that trust has declined whilst social media has grown. The biggest irony is that those with the least trust seem to get their “news” from the most dubious places. I do feel that we’re reaching somewhat of a turning point and contrary to some of the arguments here, I actually think that the cuts to the BBC may restore trust overall. My biggest issue with it is that it feels bloated. In my job I have to work efficiently, minimising waste and maximisIng productivity, and I’d guess that the vast majority of viewers work in a similar environment. For better or worse that’s the way of the world now and I don’t feel like the BBC reflects that.


While I agree with reducing the excess waste there is I feel a danger that the cuts could go too far and lead to an emasculated BBC news

As regards C5. Would jettisoning the news lead to them losing their slot on the EPG's or does that only apply to BBC and ITV?

I’m pretty sure the cuts won’t go too far, and that the BBC will continue to have one of the best-resourced news operations in the world...
NL
Ne1L C
all new Phil posted:
Ne1L C posted:
all new Phil posted:
Interesting idea. You have to wonder what the point is in insisting on a news service that few people watch.

On the point of trust in news, it’s pretty clear that trust has declined whilst social media has grown. The biggest irony is that those with the least trust seem to get their “news” from the most dubious places. I do feel that we’re reaching somewhat of a turning point and contrary to some of the arguments here, I actually think that the cuts to the BBC may restore trust overall. My biggest issue with it is that it feels bloated. In my job I have to work efficiently, minimising waste and maximisIng productivity, and I’d guess that the vast majority of viewers work in a similar environment. For better or worse that’s the way of the world now and I don’t feel like the BBC reflects that.


While I agree with reducing the excess waste there is I feel a danger that the cuts could go too far and lead to an emasculated BBC news

As regards C5. Would jettisoning the news lead to them losing their slot on the EPG's or does that only apply to BBC and ITV?

I’m pretty sure the cuts won’t go too far, and that the BBC will continue to have one of the best-resourced news operations in the world...


Oh I'm sure about that. A weakened BBC News would falter against the likes of Sky, CNN et al. From my non-accountantcy viewpoint I can see at least one change that could be made in that the studios could be cut.
BR
Brekkie
Soupnzi posted:
At 5pm, 5 News can get anything from 250-450k; it was harmed a bit by the Downing St press conferences, but that’s a higher average rating than Sky News gets at any hour. Jeremy Vine usually gets around 250-350k.

However think the 1830 programme rating only ranges from 70k-180k

Wonder if the 5pm bulletins have benefited from the Friends reruns beforehand.
SO
Soupnzi
Brekkie posted:
Soupnzi posted:
At 5pm, 5 News can get anything from 250-450k; it was harmed a bit by the Downing St press conferences, but that’s a higher average rating than Sky News gets at any hour. Jeremy Vine usually gets around 250-350k.

However think the 1830 programme rating only ranges from 70k-180k

Wonder if the 5pm bulletins have benefited from the Friends reruns beforehand.

I think those dreadful Hallmark-type US TV movies did a lot better. Friends only gets around 200k (perhaps catering for a younger audience which isn’t really there at that time of the afternoon). 5 News has to self-start to an extent now.
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AN
Andrew Founding member
Being up against the coronavirus daily update must have been awful, reporting on some breaking announcement half way though the bulletin. A bit like when a channel will have a reporter outside a sporting venue letting us know the latest, when in reality anyone interested will be watching the live coverage of the event on the other side.

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