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Changes to BBC Parliament & Political Programming

(July 2018)

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JA
JAS84
dvboy posted:
I would assume there would be a "channel off air" message generated by the box, same as on BBC Four during daytime and CBBC/Cbeebies overnight.
CBBC hasn't had that MHEG message since BBC3 closed, it broadcasts an animated loop instead.
DV
dvboy
I think we were talking about satellite where the screen just goes blue and the now/next says "..programmes start at 7.00pm" on BBC Four.

To be honest I've not watched CBBC in years so I've no idea what it does in its downtime but seems to be a waste of bandwidth.
NG
noggin Founding member

An MHEG holding slide (as used for BBC 4/ Cbeebies down time) takes next to no bandwidth, and the actual AV stream could be quenched.


Sky boxes don't support MHEG5 and I don't think they support text for off-air services...

There are no holding captions - other than EPG - for Time Exclusive services on Sky unless I'm mistaken. I don't know if an OpenTV (or whatever Sky's interactive system is mow called) digital service would satisfy Sky. You could just do a holding caption - but again - that might not satisfy Sky's requirements.

Now would the BBC if simply cease (signing off completely) broadcasting the channel on FreeView and FreeSat would users boxes require a retune when the channel signs back on? Or would they simply show a message unable to tune channel.


They would continue to broadcast the service, but with no audio or video streams in the SDT (which is how time-exclusive services are handled daily here), I suspect, so there would be no need to re-tune.
NG
noggin Founding member
dvboy posted:
I think we were talking about satellite where the screen just goes blue and the now/next says "..programmes start at 7.00pm" on BBC Four.

To be honest I've not watched CBBC in years so I've no idea what it does in its downtime but seems to be a waste of bandwidth.


The BBC are going to be using the post-2100 CBBC HD bandwidth for BBC Scotland HD carriage I believe.

They advertised the HD-only post-2100 bandwidth on PSB3 but it appears there were no takers. They can't sell the bandwidth on PSB1 for licensing reasons. I guess they don't want to increase the bandwidth of other services post-2100 to avoid quality variation.
:-(
A former member
So what's the point of the new channel? Of its only after 9pm?
MI
Mike516
dvboy posted:
I think we were talking about satellite where the screen just goes blue and the now/next says "..programmes start at 7.00pm" on BBC Four.

To be honest I've not watched CBBC in years so I've no idea what it does in its downtime but seems to be a waste of bandwidth.


The BBC are going to be using the post-2100 CBBC HD bandwidth for BBC Scotland HD carriage I believe.

They advertised the HD-only post-2100 bandwidth on PSB3 but it appears there were no takers. They can't sell the bandwidth on PSB1 for licensing reasons. I guess they don't want to increase the bandwidth of other services post-2100 to avoid quality variation.

Not quite.

In Scotland, CBBC HD on Freeview will close at 1900. BBC Scotland HD will run from 1900-0000. SD, other platforms and anyone outside of Scotland will see no change to CBBC hours.

BBC Scotland's other outlets, including HD on satellite and cable, will see the channel run from 1200-0000, of which 1200-1900 will largely be a simulcast of BBC Two with local opt-outs.
sbahnhof 7 and London Lite gave kudos
NW
nwtv2003


It almost sounds like the channel has gone back to its original format when it took over the defunct Parliamentary Channel 20 years ago. The above clip recorded and upload by yours truly shortly after it launched, the clip is in fact a closedown, recorded at 6pm after a part conference. This was normal practice for a while to be off air longer than whilst being on air.

It’s not a channel I watch, I see why they’re making changes as most parliamentary sessions can be accessed online, however BBC Parliament costs next to nothing to run.
BR
Brekkie
a516 posted:
dvboy posted:
I think we were talking about satellite where the screen just goes blue and the now/next says "..programmes start at 7.00pm" on BBC Four.

To be honest I've not watched CBBC in years so I've no idea what it does in its downtime but seems to be a waste of bandwidth.


The BBC are going to be using the post-2100 CBBC HD bandwidth for BBC Scotland HD carriage I believe.

They advertised the HD-only post-2100 bandwidth on PSB3 but it appears there were no takers. They can't sell the bandwidth on PSB1 for licensing reasons. I guess they don't want to increase the bandwidth of other services post-2100 to avoid quality variation.

Not quite.

In Scotland, CBBC HD on Freeview will close at 1900. BBC Scotland HD will run from 1900-0000. SD, other platforms and anyone outside of Scotland will see no change to CBBC hours.

BBC Scotland's other outlets, including HD on satellite and cable, will see the channel run from 1200-0000, of which 1200-1900 will largely be a simulcast of BBC Two with local opt-outs.

Just so pointless when if the channel already existed you know it would be axed in favour of opting out of BBC2 instead.

BBC Scotland have twiced tried more serious news programming, both of which ultimately got pulled, and there is very little chance it'll find an audience in the competitive 9pm slot. BBC Wales investing in drama which can then get another outlet on network and bring in revenue for the BBC down the line seems a much better use of funds.
PE
peterh
Sort of related to bbc Scotland but can’t find a better thread - why is welsh language drama hinterland airing on bbc Alba - the bbc
S Gaelic channel surely it’s in the wrong place as very different languages
PE
peterh
Maybe bbc Alba may get more time as welll and more Scottish politics
NG
noggin Founding member
a516 posted:
dvboy posted:
I think we were talking about satellite where the screen just goes blue and the now/next says "..programmes start at 7.00pm" on BBC Four.

To be honest I've not watched CBBC in years so I've no idea what it does in its downtime but seems to be a waste of bandwidth.


The BBC are going to be using the post-2100 CBBC HD bandwidth for BBC Scotland HD carriage I believe.

They advertised the HD-only post-2100 bandwidth on PSB3 but it appears there were no takers. They can't sell the bandwidth on PSB1 for licensing reasons. I guess they don't want to increase the bandwidth of other services post-2100 to avoid quality variation.

Not quite.

In Scotland, CBBC HD on Freeview will close at 1900. BBC Scotland HD will run from 1900-0000. SD, other platforms and anyone outside of Scotland will see no change to CBBC hours.

BBC Scotland's other outlets, including HD on satellite and cable, will see the channel run from 1200-0000, of which 1200-1900 will largely be a simulcast of BBC Two with local opt-outs.


Ah - I hadn't realised the CBBC HD hours were reducing in Scotland on Freeview.
BM
BM11
Seems like a bit of an official backlash to the changes are developing. Will be a testing time for the BBC along with what is to come on Wednesday.

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