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RI
Richard Granada North West Today
BBC Parliament has been back covering the Stormont Assembly this afternoon. The Speaker and Deputy Speakers, plus the First and Deputy First Minister have been elected. From 3pm the appointment of departmental ministers will start.


There was also a special programme on BBC 2 NI this afternoon.

Apologies if this had already been mentioned but BBC NI seem to be sticking with the Sunday Politics branding for now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ddvg
GM
Gary McEwan Central Reporting Scotland
Just watching Washington Journal on BBC Parliament and noticed that they've not removed the Skype Username of the guest that's appearing on the programme.

The Skype logo was in full visibility as well. Isn't that a no no in the UK?
NG
noggin Founding member

The Skype logo was in full visibility as well. Isn't that a no no in the UK?


At one point it was a requirement of Skype's Ts and Cs to display their logo during broadcast (though I think if you use a licensed Skype TX platform it removes it)
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Washington Journal is probably classed as an import since its a simulcast of the CSPAN network, and as such the output isn't under the control of the BBC, not directly anyway. I presume they contribute something towards the programme as its probably safe to assume they don't simulcast for fun.

I believe with regards to Skype, Ofcom used to consider it a form of product placement, as per Broadcast Bulletin 190 from 2011:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/45040/obb190.pdf ( pages 27 and 28 ) posted:
Under the Communications Act 2003, Ofcom has a statutory duty to set standards for broadcast content as appear to it best calculated to secure specific standards objectives ... Rule 9.5 of the [Ofcom Broadcast] Code, prohibits the undue prominence of products, services or trade marks in programming. Such undue prominence can arise if there is no editorial justification for referring to the product(s), service(s) or trade mark(s), or from the manner in which they are referred to.

Ofcom noted that [the broadcaster] had received no payment or other valuable consideration from Skype for reference on air to its brand. We also noted that, while Skype‟s Broadcast Terms of Service required broadcasters to refer to Skype in programmes that included its video call service, they also acknowledged the primacy of statutory provisions relevant to individual broadcasters.

... Ofcom reminds broadcasters that references to material broadcast „via webcam‟ or „via video link‟, for example, are unlikely to raise issues under Rule 9.5 of the Code, but any visual and/or oral brand reference should be both editorially justified and brief.


Of course it was a different environment in 2011 and these days thanks to product placement and the fact the likes of Skype and Facebook video and Whatsapp and everything else means it isn't particularly uncommon to see on the TV somebody doing a two way over a Skype internet connection - the bad "framing" of the shot and the sometimes unique lighting thanks to domestic lights is usually the giveaway, not a humongous Skype logo floating around on the video Smile
GE
thegeek Founding member London London

The Skype logo was in full visibility as well. Isn't that a no no in the UK?


At one point it was a requirement of Skype's Ts and Cs to display their logo during broadcast (though I think if you use a licensed Skype TX platform it removes it)

I think following the Ofcom ruling posted above, the terms were amended to allow broadcasters to turn off the logo if broadcast regulations prohibited it.

As Neil points out, it's an import, and some rules are a little flexible if you're showing something live (because it would be out of date if you didn't), provided you comply it properly for any repeats. See also live US sport getting more breaks than would otherwise be allowed, though as minutage rules still apply.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
It does seem odd to credit the provider of video calls when they've never had to say what network voice calls are coming in on, but understandable from Skype's point of view. It also seems pretty stupid to prohibit shows from promoting Skype when they all promote Twitter and Facebook at any given opportunity.
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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
It does seem odd to credit the provider of video calls when they've never had to say what network voice calls are coming in on, but understandable from Skype's point of view. It also seems pretty stupid to prohibit shows from promoting Skype when they all promote Twitter and Facebook at any given opportunity.


There's a difference between Facebook "the company" and "find us on Facebook".
Skype is a technology and a service, there is no "company", it is owned by Microsoft.
LL
London Lite Founding member London London
Finally caught up with "politics london" from Sunday. Format very similar to the weekday Politics Live show with the use of straps to inform the viewer what they're discussing. There was a slightly dumbed down feature on veganuary with some voxes from Borough Market followed by a debate with the three MPs.

However moving to Millbank has improved the show, Samantha Simmonds did her intro and opening link after the titles from the video wall with VT being played from it. Something that the weekday PL show should consider.

Samantha Simmonds is a competent presenter, but not a political hack which was missing compared to the Glinka era of the end of Sunday Politics London. If anything, the gig should have been offered to Ellie Price who still reports for Politics Live.

Juniper are still producing the show.

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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Parliament seems to have been partly Reithed, on its copyright slide anyway:

(all picture below click for bigger, all taken from iPlayer)

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Mind you doesn't change the fact it can't seem to make up its mind what logo it wants, when you see three different logos in the space of five minutes - Reithed as above and then:

The Gill Sans logo:
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Or some other Arial style font that's significantly bigger:
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And even then the name straps from the studio seem to be a different font, it's very similar but not quite the same as you see on the Parliament output and the "coming up" slides:
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Talk about a mishmash of styles!
The Reithed logo (first picture) doesn't look too bad actually to me.
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Hatton Cross Central (West) Midlands Today
You've not watched 'booktalk' then? Wink
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DV
dvboy Central (West) Midlands Today
Have I Got News For You used a clip from BBC Parliament's coverage of Health Questions from 5th May.

I thought coverage from inside the Commons wasn't allowed outside of news coverage?
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CW
Charlie Wells Moderator Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
dvboy posted:
Have I Got News For You used a clip from BBC Parliament's coverage of Health Questions from 5th May.

I thought coverage from inside the Commons wasn't allowed outside of news coverage?

If I recall correctly whilst the rules factsheet changed about a year ago TV companies found a loophole in the form of 'fair use' or similar.
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