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Could World just be broadcast to the UK fulltime instead, with extra material during commercial breaks?
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CH
I've completely given up on it now. 10-15 years ago it was all I watched news channel wise. I couldn't stand Sky News and never ever watched it. I'd sometimes watch the ITN/ITV News Channel. These days, since the BBC cutbacks, Sky News is my go-to news channel. For the most part it continues to be a serious news channel providing the type of news programming I like. In contrast, every time I switch the BBC News Channel on it's either some sort of foreign news simulcast or silly news like interviewing puppets. It's no longer a credible news channel in my opinion. 5 years ago I would have railed against its closure - now, I'm not bothered at all if it stays or goes. It's a shadow of its former self .
We think we all need terrestrial 24 news channels but we don't really. I'll stick my neck out and say I think they will slowly die out in the next decade or two. I've learnt some of the biggest news stories this week, not via any TV news, but from an alert that popped up on my iPod to say that Boris had resigned and that England had lost. An iPod I only got for music and podcasting but which is now delivering me the news as a bonus.
I completely agree. They’re from a pre-video internet era and quickly becoming irrelevant. That’s why there has been no attempt by ITN to launch another and it’s only Murdock keeping Sky News alive.
That said, closing the BBC News Channel wouldn’t save loads of money: newsgathering is the costly aspect which they have to do for bulletins anyway. Like it or lump it, having appointment-to-view programmes like Victoria Derbyshire and Politics Live (if our predictions are right) is the right way to go. You keep the channel open for breaking stories but provide something different to telling people the news, which they already know from their phones.
On BBC Parliament, it’s only a matter of time before it does go online, but I think until fast broadband is available to 99% of homes, they may not be granted permission to do that.
I've completely given up on it now. 10-15 years ago it was all I watched news channel wise. I couldn't stand Sky News and never ever watched it. I'd sometimes watch the ITN/ITV News Channel. These days, since the BBC cutbacks, Sky News is my go-to news channel. For the most part it continues to be a serious news channel providing the type of news programming I like. In contrast, every time I switch the BBC News Channel on it's either some sort of foreign news simulcast or silly news like interviewing puppets. It's no longer a credible news channel in my opinion. 5 years ago I would have railed against its closure - now, I'm not bothered at all if it stays or goes. It's a shadow of its former self .
We think we all need terrestrial 24 news channels but we don't really. I'll stick my neck out and say I think they will slowly die out in the next decade or two. I've learnt some of the biggest news stories this week, not via any TV news, but from an alert that popped up on my iPod to say that Boris had resigned and that England had lost. An iPod I only got for music and podcasting but which is now delivering me the news as a bonus.
I completely agree. They’re from a pre-video internet era and quickly becoming irrelevant. That’s why there has been no attempt by ITN to launch another and it’s only Murdock keeping Sky News alive.
That said, closing the BBC News Channel wouldn’t save loads of money: newsgathering is the costly aspect which they have to do for bulletins anyway. Like it or lump it, having appointment-to-view programmes like Victoria Derbyshire and Politics Live (if our predictions are right) is the right way to go. You keep the channel open for breaking stories but provide something different to telling people the news, which they already know from their phones.
On BBC Parliament, it’s only a matter of time before it does go online, but I think until fast broadband is available to 99% of homes, they may not be granted permission to do that.
GE
thegeek
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A little thread of some of the fun bits of BBC Parliament over the past few years, from a former staffer
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I might do a little I love, and will miss, @BBCParliament thread tonight. Yes I know they've yet to "consult on the plans" with staff and unions (*muffled laugh*) but let's...
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IS
There'll still be a need for a linear news channel if only for live events. In fact I can't see a time when there wont be a news channel of some sort, or a news bulletin of some sort.
Yes you get alerts about big stories but you won't for everything as not everything 'breaks'. They're a passive medium a bit like radio. People don't necessarily want to get all your news by having to select stories and watch or read them, it's nice to have a curated programme that collates them all together and you can just watch it. Of course that can be on demand but the live element is still compelling as it is with other genres
Yes you get alerts about big stories but you won't for everything as not everything 'breaks'. They're a passive medium a bit like radio. People don't necessarily want to get all your news by having to select stories and watch or read them, it's nice to have a curated programme that collates them all together and you can just watch it. Of course that can be on demand but the live element is still compelling as it is with other genres
LL
London Lite
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I'd like to hope that some of the former BBC Parliament commissions and the Election night repeats end up on iPlayer at least.
DE
PMQs would almost certainly be on BBC2 - I somehow doubt Bargain Hunt would be moved.
I am sorry, if this is their plan to save the channel, then they should axe it all together, and stream parliamentary coverage online, like BBC Three.
Leave PMQs and other major parliamentary events for BBC One or BBC Two.
Anyone agree?
PMQs would almost certainly be on BBC2 - I somehow doubt Bargain Hunt would be moved.
BA
I wouldn't be so sure Newsnight wouldn't be the one to be axed next out of that list.
Worth noting that at the end of last year, Amol Rajan wrote an article for the BBC site where he made media predictions for 2018; one of these was that a major BBC News service would be axed. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there were more cutbacks to come. I really cannot see any of the One, Six or Ten going, nor could I see them axing Newsnight; now that BBC Parliament is being phased out, I can't help but think that there's a chance the News Channel may be next.
I wouldn't be so sure Newsnight wouldn't be the one to be axed next out of that list.
MA
ITV used to have quite a strong lead in this area. I recall the old Weekend World programme that ran until 1988.
It opened with a very odd long-shot of what seemed to be a largely empty studio, with the presenter sat quite close to the camera, but the "intended interview victim of the day" sat alone in the far distance, as if in the 'naughty seat' awaiting punishment.
Weekend World was from the era when ITV/ITN used to do PSB programming that was better, and certainly more watchable than the Beeb's. It had a tiny audience, but it ticked all the IBA boxes, and gave ITV credibility
within the establishment. Simple uncluttered format, 40 mins of filmed report, 20 mins of one-one live studio interview.
It was the work of John Birt, now, what happened to him ?
ITV used to have quite a strong lead in this area. I recall the old Weekend World programme that ran until 1988.
It opened with a very odd long-shot of what seemed to be a largely empty studio, with the presenter sat quite close to the camera, but the "intended interview victim of the day" sat alone in the far distance, as if in the 'naughty seat' awaiting punishment.
Weekend World was from the era when ITV/ITN used to do PSB programming that was better, and certainly more watchable than the Beeb's. It had a tiny audience, but it ticked all the IBA boxes, and gave ITV credibility
within the establishment. Simple uncluttered format, 40 mins of filmed report, 20 mins of one-one live studio interview.
It was the work of John Birt, now, what happened to him ?
RK
I've completely given up on it now. 10-15 years ago it was all I watched news channel wise. I couldn't stand Sky News and never ever watched it. I'd sometimes watch the ITN/ITV News Channel. These days, since the BBC cutbacks, Sky News is my go-to news channel. For the most part it continues to be a serious news channel providing the type of news programming I like. In contrast, every time I switch the BBC News Channel on it's either some sort of foreign news simulcast or silly news like interviewing puppets. It's no longer a credible news channel in my opinion. 5 years ago I would have railed against its closure - now, I'm not bothered at all if it stays or goes. It's a shadow of its former self .
I'd say very much the same thing about Sky News, whose decline in the past 5 years seems striking on screen to me.
Your points about the BBC News Channel are also perfectly valid however. Too much time it's not news at all, such as with Click, an excellent show in itself that should be a proper show on BBC1 or 2 for example. Yes, it's tech related news but I don't think that's what people think of when imagining a news channel. I'll also cite another example, the film review they do. There are many others of course.
We think we all need terrestrial 24 hour news channels but we don't really. I'll stick my neck out and say I think they will slowly die out in the next decade or two. I've learnt some of the biggest news stories this week, not via any TV news, but from an alert that popped up on my iPod to say that Boris had resigned and that England had lost. An iPod I only got for music and podcasting but which is now delivering me the news as a bonus.
It’s a shame that there’s the law of impartiality. Could two channel focused on the conservative parties and labour work?
As for the channel shutting down it could be used to slightly increase bandwidth.
I've completely given up on it now. 10-15 years ago it was all I watched news channel wise. I couldn't stand Sky News and never ever watched it. I'd sometimes watch the ITN/ITV News Channel. These days, since the BBC cutbacks, Sky News is my go-to news channel. For the most part it continues to be a serious news channel providing the type of news programming I like. In contrast, every time I switch the BBC News Channel on it's either some sort of foreign news simulcast or silly news like interviewing puppets. It's no longer a credible news channel in my opinion. 5 years ago I would have railed against its closure - now, I'm not bothered at all if it stays or goes. It's a shadow of its former self .
I'd say very much the same thing about Sky News, whose decline in the past 5 years seems striking on screen to me.
Your points about the BBC News Channel are also perfectly valid however. Too much time it's not news at all, such as with Click, an excellent show in itself that should be a proper show on BBC1 or 2 for example. Yes, it's tech related news but I don't think that's what people think of when imagining a news channel. I'll also cite another example, the film review they do. There are many others of course.
We think we all need terrestrial 24 hour news channels but we don't really. I'll stick my neck out and say I think they will slowly die out in the next decade or two. I've learnt some of the biggest news stories this week, not via any TV news, but from an alert that popped up on my iPod to say that Boris had resigned and that England had lost. An iPod I only got for music and podcasting but which is now delivering me the news as a bonus.
It’s a shame that there’s the law of impartiality. Could two channel focused on the conservative parties and labour work?
As for the channel shutting down it could be used to slightly increase bandwidth.