Yes Border should indeed be part of the plans. Anne MacKenzie fan, I am brave I know. What about then instead of scrapping it completely, North Tonight still has its own lunchtime, weekend and possibly GMTV bulletins. But we find a universal name for both ST and NT and give them similar studios.
Yes, I firmly believe that Border should be in the fold. I wonder how this would work in practice though (not being SMG) How would this kind of coverage be financed and produced effectively. The implications may be too complex??
Again would those in the Borders who were against a Scottish Six back a Scottish Six thirty. The BBC Scotland consultation didn't get mass backing in southern Scotland (just like central and northern)
As for Sarah Heaney - well the programme would be dead in the water. The only reason that Newsnight Scotland has worked is that Anne MacKenzie and Gordon Brewer give it credibility and other BBC journalists and guests respect them. I don't see those in power chatting Gucci classics with SH!! And she is hated among her STV colleagues - trust me!!!
Sarah and Nick are NOT trained journalists which does let the STV side down .However i would say that Sarah is NOT "hated by her STV colleagues" a few are jealous of her and one thing i would say about Sarah is she does not have an ego or anything to prove such as others do in the newsroom .Sarah is down to earth and plays the game she rises above them all which gets their backs up even more.
That may be the case - but I can definately say that jealousy is not the main reason for many of her colleagues not liking her - female and MALE alike. I won't elaborate on this.
My point is that with a new programme - especially a NEWS programme is best having established journalists at the helm. In an age where dumbing down is all the rage it is good to see.
STV/Grampian will not have sophisticated technology - nor the resources of fancier stations.
My opinion is that they will rely on quality journalism NOT glamourous presenters to last the course.
Yes Border should indeed be part of the plans. Anne MacKenzie fan, I am brave I know. What about then instead of scrapping it completely, North Tonight still has its own lunchtime, weekend and possibly GMTV bulletins. But we find a universal name for both ST and NT and give them similar studios.
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Scotland Today - It's YOUR news
Thanks for that suggestion. I am not sure if that would work in practice. Again - us northerners want to have our own identity. When the saltire logo was ditched in 2000 by Grampian TV - no sorry SMG - there was an outcry as to whether this would lead to ditching Grampian altogether.
SMG have invested heavily in the new Tullos studios of Grampian in the south of Aberdeen. I can't see them wanting it to become a 'satelitte' site for their empire.
I also wonder if your plans would mean even more job cuts. Grampian has suffered already - big time.
I also fear it may lead to a Reporting Scotland style set up. Would the news become relevant for its audience. The bulk of the stories would be for STV land!!!!
As for 'the right sort of presenter for Breakfast' - I take it you mean someone reasonably attractive - can read an autocue, and to hell with gravitas, warmth and journalistic experience - and there is a reason they don't used her often - me thinks that the fact you haven't seen her for a while says it all.
Susanna Reid, and Mishal Hussein are/were right for Breakfast - pity that they aren't on very often, and that Mishal has gone back to World.
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MOIRA ON BBC ONE THREAD
By Breakfast News.
COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF!!
WHAT DO YOU THINK - GRAVITAS OR GLAMOUR - WHAT REIGNS SUPREME???
That may be the case - but I can definately say that jealousy is not the main reason for many of her colleagues not liking her - female and MALE alike. I won't elaborate on this.
My point is that with a new programme - especially a NEWS programme is best having established journalists at the helm. In an age where dumbing down is all the rage it is good to see.
STV/Grampian will not have sophisticated technology - nor the resources of fancier stations.
My opinion is that they will rely on quality journalism NOT glamourous presenters to last the course.
Jan Leeming was not a journalist and she presented BBC news. Mary Marquais was not a journalist and she presented RPS for years .Viv Lumsden was not a journalist she presented RPS and Scotland Today .
Unless you have worked in the STV enviroment on a day to day basis and know Sarah i don't think that your qualified to comment on her relationships with the others in the newsroom .
Yes Border should indeed be part of the plans. Anne MacKenzie fan, I am brave I know. What about then instead of scrapping it completely, North Tonight still has its own lunchtime, weekend and possibly GMTV bulletins. But we find a universal name for both ST and NT and give them similar studios.
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Scotland Today - It's YOUR news
Thanks for that suggestion. I am not sure if that would work in practice. Again - us northerners want to have our own identity. When the saltire logo was ditched in 2000 by Grampian TV - no sorry SMG - there was an outcry as to whether this would lead to ditching Grampian altogether.
SMG have invested heavily in the new Tullos studios of Grampian in the south of Aberdeen. I can't see them wanting it to become a 'satelitte' site for their empire.
I also wonder if your plans would mean even more job cuts. Grampian has suffered already - big time.
I also fear it may lead to a Reporting Scotland style set up. Would the news become relevant for its audience. The bulk of the stories would be for STV land!!!!
Anne MacKenzie Fan is right - the last thing we need is a second-rate Reporting Scotland on Scottish and Grampian, which struggles to cover the entire country as badly as the BBC, but without the budget. Scottish and Grampian should retain their own news programmes, and have a Scottish 10.30, with local opts at 10.50 as normal. The only concession I'm willing to give SMG is ditching afternoon Scotland Today, which is cheap worthless and doesn't know what it's meant to be. If it's a light entertainment programme, it needs different branding, and it's not a serious news programme. There's very little on it that isn't provided by network programming anyway.
Slightly off-topic for this ..... um .... topic.... but I still feel the saltire would be a good generic ident for Scottish and Grampian. A slightly more high-tech version would reassert the station's Scottish identity. If they wanted to move towards the new ITV1 ident they could put the flag in the space occupied by '1', and STV (because that's what it's known as down here) or Grampian below it in the yellow part. There are flashier ways of doing it (showing the Scottish flag flying in different parts of the country, etc) but this would probably be the most cost-effective way, and wouldn't rely on updating celebrities every five minutes.
i understand. I feel though it is not economic to have to seperte shows which run "common interest" stories. For example people want to know in Aberdeen about Holyrrod affairs in Edinburgh, and they may want to know about the old firm, or even about stories involving the scottish executive. I also bellieve that some people in the south who are from the north <AMacK fan> want to know whats going on in Aberdeen. Some opt outs and seperate updates wouldn't hurt though.
And those Tullos studios have been tremendous in improving the output by grampian but they reduced the size of the nt studio? why. The saltire could be reincorporated into the logo a bit like what channel tv do.
Lets face it though, nothings as bad as RS!!!
By the way shouldnt ST get a makeover when NT does?
That may be the case - but I can definately say that jealousy is not the main reason for many of her colleagues not liking her - female and MALE alike. I won't elaborate on this.
My point is that with a new programme - especially a NEWS programme is best having established journalists at the helm. In an age where dumbing down is all the rage it is good to see.
STV/Grampian will not have sophisticated technology - nor the resources of fancier stations.
My opinion is that they will rely on quality journalism NOT glamourous presenters to last the course.
Jan Leeming was not a journalist and she presented BBC news. Mary Marquais was not a journalist and she presented RPS for years .Viv Lumsden was not a journalist she presented RPS and Scotland Today .
Unless you have worked in the STV enviroment on a day to day basis and know Sarah i don't think that your qualified to comment on her relationships with the others in the newsroom .
DO I WORK WITH HER?? AM I QUALIFIED TO HAVE AN OPINION??
Yes - she is a good newsreader , but she is not a journalist.
This is just daft. i have nothing against Sarah Heaney on Scotland Today - unlike many folk. I just don't think she would be the right person to be the face of Scotland's news coverage.
If that is not popular - then I still have this opinion. It is a democracy after all.
Now back to the topic in hand - would STV/Grampian benefit from ditching ITV News and having their own show??
[quote="Anne MacKenzie Fan"]Yes - she is a good newsreader , but she is not a journalist.
This is just daft. i have nothing against Sarah Heaney on Scotland Today - unlike many folk. I just don't think she would be the right person to be the face of Scotland's news coverage.
If that is not popular - then I still have this opinion. It is a democracy after all.
Now back to the topic in hand - would STV/Grampian benefit from ditching ITV News and having their own show?? [/quote
