STV to drop ITV Evening News

I think the only issue might be the ITV/ITN reporter appearing on STV before 1830. That would mean the reporter/host either breaking off from 1830 rehearsals or having to stop packaging for the 1830 or being produced by the 1830 to do the STV 1800?

Sure STV will be paying ITN for this service - but I guess the amount they pay them, relative to the amount ITV plc pay them, will decide the level of support they get.

It is one thing allowing STV to download cut stories from the ITV News news server at ITN (which may not be ready by 1800...) it's another providing guaranteed slots for lives etc.

I imagine too any deal would see ITV get the stories first (like in the days of the ITN News Channel, where ITV/C4 stories could only be used after broadcast on ITV/C4), so that either means a lot of filler in the first half hour along with the local content, or them using reports from the Lunchtime News, perhaps voiced over by local reporters if they need updating.

That doesn't seem a logical conclusion to draw.

The ITN News Channel was an independent commercial organisation gaining their own advertising revenues. If they were being paid to produce content for other broadcasters (ITV/C4) it would follow that they couldn't show it first on their own channel.

This is different - there's no commercial advantage in letting STV show the packages first. STV is still the client, and they're still paying for the material.

If anything I would think that STVs share of the cost would increase to allow for additional resourcing/booked lines and crew.

How did that work then in practice, bearing in mind technicals weren't up to today's standards?

I suspect that the deal will be that STV will show three or four packages from ITN and have a few read-only stories of UK/International news with underlays provided by ITN.

Depending on the news agenda of the day, they will usually be some way down the programme. Unless there's a big UK/international story to lead with.

The news agenda will, in short, be close to that of the Scottish national newspapers and BBC Radio Scotland.

The problems will come with breaking news and with an inability to do two-ways with live reporters, because they're on the ITV Evening News.

There will be a section of local news in part two (from about 6.17pm). So the opt-outs will go there. The ghost of Grampian will be found there. One or possibly two packages and some readers. These could be pre-recorded.

Then back to Glasgow for the main programme again.

After headlines at 6.30pm, it'll be softer. Studio guests, interviews etc.
Lighter packages.
A vox pop.
Sport.
Entertainment.
Weather.
The News at Ten promo

Good night.

That is the biggest load of crap I have read in a while! It will not be like that

6pm Main news:
6.15 Breaak
6.18 Local opt put
6.28 Recap
6.30 even more main news
( remember here the Scottish news HAS A LOT MORE stories to do with scottish gov/ law#
6.38 Break
6.40 Sport
6.52 fluffy stuff
6.54 Weather
6.56 Ad

No need to be so rude about what is a "fantasy" schedule, much like your own - unless, of course, your version is the concrete, definitive version that STV News at 6 will be taking?

I think this is a good move, though. On a purely selfish level hopefully this will actually create more jobs in broadcast journalism due to the expansion of the news servise, and therefore guarantee me a job in the future.

And finally (see what I did there? I'm getting ready ), is anyone else getting a little bit sick of those people on the STV forums that are taking pops a John MacKay and others? It's actions like that which are going to end up with that forum closed and the Real MacKay blogs being ended. Moreover, the forum is ran itself by STV, who unlike the BBC, does not need to allow criticism of its services being made on its own site.

Very much so,

I'd like to participate there more, but I don't think I'd be able to hold back from telling some of them to belt up and feck off.

And I wouldn't want John and Louise to think I'm not a nice boy, would I?

OK sorry about that is just you had 30mins worth of filler, and I can tell you STV news i pushing to time a number of days! where the sport has to get the kick,

Straight away if you north and central news get put in along with borders then STV will have to had approx 15mins of sport a day. with the opt outs at 10mins = 25mins, so add in Main news and the international news than there another 25mins, = 50mins

(I didn't post the schedule, that was another user/forumer but apology...ahem..on his behalf, accepted )

To pick up Gavin's point (or to expand upon my own), until recently MacKay would never get involved with the petty insults regarding the loss of Grampian etc. etc. Now he actually gives a defence after inaccurate information is presented and they (well actually one user in particular) are pulling apart his argument like vultures. I am surprised none of the media has picked up on this yet... like Guardian Media or maybe The Herald or Scotsman - it is a very easy story to print and makes a somewhat interesting headline: STV Anchor Faces Online Attack Over Changes.

I fear I have tempted fate...

So basically the same as mine, but with eight more minutes for news, rather than my headline recap, at 6.30pm.

When all is said and done, Scotland is a country of 5.1 million people. So that's a couple of million fewer people than Granadaland, a million or so less than the Yorkshire TV region.

OK, the politics is more interesting and there's more to say about that. But the programme will jettison a lot of ITN's anglo-centric stuff. So that time will be absorbed by any extra Holyroody stuff - when it's sitting.

Unless the second half has a distinct One Show/Nationwide/UTV Life feel to it, I suspect viewers will turn off in their droves. This is regional teatime telly, it's not Newsnight. (Yes, I know Scotland is a nation, blah, blah).

And 12 minutes for sport? That's as long as four packages on many news programmes. That's a hell of a lot of time in which to lose unsporty viewers. There should be more on a Friday (think Sportswide on Nationwide) and possibly a Monday for a weekend catch-up. But it would have shrink for the rest of the week.

There's nothing wrong with fluff. The lighter news packages and interviews are usually the things that the viewers remember and the things that they enjoy most. It's also where the reporters and producers tend to be at their most creative. They are also often cheaper because they take less time to do. Skateboarding ducks are where it's at.

Even if STV News's bosses are thinking highbrow now with their plans, they'll do a TV-am very quickly and go for what actually grabs the viewers.

If the date decided, can anyone record the "last" ITV EN bulletin on STV and first STV News "full hour" bulletin, as well as ITV EN bulletin on the same day it launches?

If ITV LN has a promo for EN, can anyone also record the promo on that day?