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UK General Election

Thurs 8th June 2017 - **Presentation related discussion only** (April 2017)

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A former member
Well its pretty clear, ITV/stv and Channel 4 did have the better overnight coverage, I agree with other the bbc was just dull. Yes the ad breaks were a pain but sometimes there helped fill the gaps where another repeat of gogglebox.

Opinion polls, I think the broadcasters will continue not to use them at the next election again. Nearly all of them were crap, expect the you gov one where the did local polling. As said before doing local polls seem to do a better job, ITV did one in 2015 for the south west and got it right. https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/

Next election: One has to wonder why the Broadcasters will deal with this, I doubt we will see one this year or next. I wonder if there will keep the current plans in place but work up new planes for a new design if we hold out to 2019/2020.
DE
deejay
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there isn't another general election this year.

I don't understand why there is a notion that any broadcaster's programme 'won'. Won what? In whose opinion? By what measure?

The opinion polls were variable, yes, but there was a definite shift in opinion during the course of the campaigning period which was reflected in the polls. And the exit poll was pretty much spot on.
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A former member
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there isn't another general election this year.


I know it say Presentation related discussion only, but we will need to talk about some aspects of the current government to have a proper debate about this topic linked to the broadcasters. ITV/Sky/BBC will all be looking at the maths and risk for Tories to do this again so close. Both Labour and Tories have had their best share of the vote in 20-25 years, but brexit is about to began and that could cause nothing but chaso. I did here rumbles that some media people were expecting an early vote, ( ie it had to be now or 2020) But I believe everyone will not be on the back foot only if it goes into 2018.

IThe opinion polls were variable, yes, but there was a definite shift in opinion during the course of the campaigning period which was reflected in the polls. And the exit poll was pretty much spot on.

The polls were variable yes: there was a shift-yes: Did the polls over think shy tory? YES: Look at the vote things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Predictions_less_than_a_week_before_the_vote If you gov is to believe it even highlighted Canterbury.
NG
noggin Founding member

The polls were variable yes: there was a shift-yes: Did the polls over think shy tory? YES: Look at the vote things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Predictions_less_than_a_week_before_the_vote If you gov is to believe it even highlighted Canterbury.


Canterbury was interesting. 10% of the electorate within the constituency registered to vote there after Dec 2016 (it was one of the 10 highest 'most new voters' regions). It's a university town. I think that shifted the electorate significantly.
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A former member

The polls were variable yes: there was a shift-yes: Did the polls over think shy tory? YES: Look at the vote things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Predictions_less_than_a_week_before_the_vote If you gov is to believe it even highlighted Canterbury.


Canterbury was interesting. 10% of the electorate within the constituency registered to vote there after Dec 2016 (it was one of the 10 highest 'most new voters' regions). It's a university town. I think that shifted the electorate significantly.


Did either the BBC or ITV local news look around the town? was that also off its rador?
BR
Brekkie
Interesting that some people think that ITV 'won' by having multi millionaire ex-chancellor who has destroyed the lives of so many people ranged against an ex-chancellor who, the aforementioned, accused of destroying the economy. An election isn't entertainment, it isn't the X factor, its life and death for some of the poorest and most vulnerable people. What is needed is fair reporting from a trusted source which Murdoch's Sky certainly isn't & a commercial ITV aiming for the sensational headlines.

I really can't stand Osborne as a politician for the reasons you state above and don't think too much of him as a person either but there is no doubt he was the biggest name available to broadcasters this year, and similarly with Ed Balls from a Labour point of view too (regardless of Strictly). They both also came across fairly well in the roles they were employed to do - didn't see much of the BBC/Sky but the panel C4 had were very much veterans of the parties keen to just argue with each other and defend the undefendable rather than just see how the night played out.
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A former member
Now May was an actually collation with the DUP: https://stv.tv/news/politics/1390897-theresa-may-wants-a-formal-coalition-deal-with-the-dup/

Yet it might break the Good friday agreement says SF: https://twitter.com/frankcottrell_b/status/873264652096077824

This thread isnt over yet: I wonder if were see any more extra bulletins across the channels
DE
deejay

The polls were variable yes: there was a shift-yes: Did the polls over think shy tory? YES: Look at the vote things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Predictions_less_than_a_week_before_the_vote If you gov is to believe it even highlighted Canterbury.


Canterbury was interesting. 10% of the electorate within the constituency registered to vote there after Dec 2016 (it was one of the 10 highest 'most new voters' regions). It's a university town. I think that shifted the electorate significantly.


Did either the BBC or ITV local news look around the town? was that also off its rador?


I saw a live from there on BBC the day after the vote.
NG
noggin Founding member
Now May was an actually collation with the DUP: https://stv.tv/news/politics/1390897-theresa-may-wants-a-formal-coalition-deal-with-the-dup/

Yet it might break the Good friday agreement says SF: https://twitter.com/frankcottrell_b/status/873264652096077824

This thread isnt over yet: I wonder if were see any more extra bulletins across the channels


Think we will definitely see additional/extended bulletins should things not run smoothly.

There are scenarios where May will be forced to resign, where she can't effectively work with a coalition or confidence and supply because even with DUP support a parliamentary majority that slim (she had issues previously with a larger - albeit still quite small - working majority) and another election is triggered. This certainly isn't close to being over.
BR
Brekkie
Let's just hope May doesn't resign after 11pm at night.
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A former member
Now May was an actually collation with the DUP: https://stv.tv/news/politics/1390897-theresa-may-wants-a-formal-coalition-deal-with-the-dup/

Yet it might break the Good friday agreement says SF: https://twitter.com/frankcottrell_b/status/873264652096077824

This thread isnt over yet: I wonder if were see any more extra bulletins across the channels


Think we will definitely see additional/extended bulletins should things not run smoothly.

There are scenarios where May will be forced to resign, where she can't effectively work with a coalition or confidence and supply because even with DUP support a parliamentary majority that slim (she had issues previously with a larger - albeit still quite small - working majority) and another election is triggered. This certainly isn't close to being over.


It seems there might be a legal challenge in Fife North East where the maj is "2"
IS
Inspector Sands
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there isn't another general election this year.

I don't understand why there is a notion that any broadcaster's programme 'won'. Won what? In whose opinion? By what measure?


Indeed, it's different horses for different courses. Some may have thought the BBC's coverage to be 'dull' but to others that means it was serious and non gimmicky. All the channels did it in their own style - Sky in one way, ITV in another, the BBC in their way. Neither is right or wrong


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The opinion polls were variable, yes, but there was a definite shift in opinion during the course of the campaigning period which was reflected in the polls. And the exit poll was pretty much spot on.

Opinion polls will be variable, not only do all the polling companies have their own methodologies they are also a prediction rather than a fact after the event.

I didn't quite believe the polling especially in the last few days when i saw two on Facebook, one saying a 2 point gap and the other that there would be a 70 seat majority!

The exit poll, again was spot on. Hats off to the broadcasters on their choice of polling company
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 10 June 2017 6:20pm
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