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UK General Election

Thurs 8th June 2017 - **Presentation related discussion only** (April 2017)

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NG
noggin Founding member
ITV may have a special link up with each constituency which costs them very little and so can get the results in very quickly. They then of course have their key link ups to the main constituencies.

BBC may have excellent links to the constituencies but for the remaining ones they just feel that they are not interesting and so do not need to be reported that quickly.

Also you are dealing with two very different production teams who come at the election night coverage from different points of view.


The speed isn't to do with the data connection - it's to do with journalistic principles. The BBC wait for the returning officer. If ITN are convinced from other sources (or by looking at the paper piles) that they can call it - they historically do.
NG
noggin Founding member
RDJ posted:
Why are they not using Sky Mobile?


The SIM's will only be used for submitting the results, therefore those SIM's are all Pay As You Go.

Sky Mobile is only available on contract. And only uses the O2 signal. Therefore if somewhere doesn't have a good O2 signal then they're in trouble. Hence why they have both O2 and Vodafone SIM's available.

Also the network is only a month or two old. Sky would never want to face the embarrassment if it was their own network that caused their results to come in delayed.


I think Sky have a 'tera-byte' corporate data deal with EE for 4G live reports and newsgathering use ?

02 and VF have far less 4G coverage in the sticks than EE

http://cwbackoffice.co.uk/Presentation/MobileBroadbandSIG_29.05.14_RichardPattison_LTE%20ChangingtheFaceofNewsgathering.pdf


Most broadcasters have corporate deals on SIMs with multiple providers, on tariffs not available to the general public. (Including some that aggregate data across all corporate SIMs)
RK
Rkolsen

Why are they not using Sky Mobile?


Most bonding units have multiple modems available to them. They use multiple carriers and or in conjunction with a WiFi connection to send the video back. Essentialliy if you have one bad or slow connection through one carrier the other carrier can pick up the load.
SP
Spectacular1
Not sure where to post this, but BBC This Week local election special coming from Studio V - home of The One Show tonight.
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A former member
Thread over here: https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/this-week-42636/
CA
cat
ITV may have a special link up with each constituency which costs them very little and so can get the results in very quickly. They then of course have their key link ups to the main constituencies.

BBC may have excellent links to the constituencies but for the remaining ones they just feel that they are not interesting and so do not need to be reported that quickly.

Also you are dealing with two very different production teams who come at the election night coverage from different points of view.


The speed isn't to do with the data connection - it's to do with journalistic principles. The BBC wait for the returning officer. If ITN are convinced from other sources (or by looking at the paper piles) that they can call it - they historically do.


Now that makes perfect sense for election results where you can call a constituency one way or another without giving details of votes (i.e. Labour gain or Tory hold etc)

But I couldn't fathom how they got specific numbers from local counts at the referendum so much quicker than other broadcasters.

I have been at counts and in many cases the detailed numbers aren't known until they are announced by the returning officer to anyone other than the candidates and agents.

So still strikes me as odd.
BR
Brekkie
Poor effort really for the BBC at least not do produce an overnights show for what was an unusually significant round of local elections where despite earlier comments here a good number of the counts were done overnight.
HC
Hatton Cross
Question is - was an overnight programme planned, and then the general unexpectedly got in the way, and resources (and money) diverted to that instead?

If, no...

Suppose it was a balancing act editorally.
Do you plough on through the night until around 4am covering council counts where the result was pretty much predicted and unsurprising?

Or wait until the main Breakfast show giving time to package the story so far, then do the main results programme during the day, when you have more counts, and the Metro Mayor counts which provide extra material.
If the number of council seats declaring during the day outnumbed the ones that declared whilst dark - I can understand the logic in not getting Huw or David to put in a nightshift this time.
MA
mapperuo
Hmm, BBC News show Jeremy Corbyn speech live whilst Sky show a pre-record of Theresa May visiting a factory. OK. Could make it a little less obvious guys!
SW
Steve Williams
Question is - was an overnight programme planned, and then the general unexpectedly got in the way, and resources (and money) diverted to that instead?


Well, of course, the best way to see this would be to compare it to four years ago when the same round of local elections was taking place with all the same seats up. And that time - there was no overnight coverage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/london/2013/05/03

There was daytime coverage on BBC2, but less than this time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/schedules/england/2013/05/03

So hardly a new thing, nor evidence of cost-cutting or laziness.
WH
Whitnall
Hmm, BBC News show Jeremy Corbyn speech live whilst Sky show a pre-record of Theresa May visiting a factory. OK. Could make it a little less obvious guys!


Sky showed Corbyn's speech after.
JK
JKDerry
I don't think Sky News will plummet to the depths of pure political bias as their sister network FOX News. I mean FOX news anchors need to have their tongues dry cleaned after all the ass licking of Donald Trump they do in any given day.

Can you imagine how bad Sky News would be if they used the same tactics and ass kissing as Fox News here in the UK. They would be out of business very soon.

I am used to US cable news channels, and watching them makes me glad we have just two BBC and Sky. Both have their bias and flaws but when it comes to the US, we are much better off.

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