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UK General Election

Thurs 8th June 2017 - **Presentation related discussion only** (April 2017)

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BR
Brekkie
BBI45 posted:

Surely, having a TV debate without the leader of either of the main parties is a waste of money. Is ITV's stance politically motivated?

It wouldn't be a waste of money if all the other party leaders will be there. Also, pretty sure TV Channels/Companies can't have a political stance (or at least not here)?


The debate would be pointless if the prime minister wasn't there.

Not at all, especially as they'll likely be 6 other leaders. It would be biased not to give other leaders the platform to get their message out because one leader of a party refuses to participate.
BB
BBI45
BBI45 posted:

Surely, having a TV debate without the leader of either of the main parties is a waste of money. Is ITV's stance politically motivated?

It wouldn't be a waste of money if all the other party leaders will be there. Also, pretty sure TV Channels/Companies can't have a political stance (or at least not here)?


The debate would be pointless if the prime minister wasn't there.

Do you want to tell the other party leaders that? It's a debate! Not a pre-election PM roasting!
BL
bluecortina
BBI45 posted:
It wouldn't be a waste of money if all the other party leaders will be there. Also, pretty sure TV Channels/Companies can't have a political stance (or at least not here)?


The debate would be pointless if the prime minister wasn't there.

Not at all, especially as they'll likely be 6 other leaders. It would be biased not to give other leaders the platform to get their message out because one leader of a party refuses to participate.


I cannot see how any of these debates can go ahead without difficulty on any of the PSB broadcasters due to Ofcom and BBC Trust regulations with regard to impartial and even handed coverage. It's an interesting situation.

Here's Ofcom's take on it:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/25643/section6.pdf?lang=cym

Edit to add, I edited my original post before the poster below quoted it.
Last edited by bluecortina on 19 April 2017 9:40pm
BB
BBI45

The debate would be pointless if the prime minister wasn't there.

Not at all, especially as they'll likely be 6 other leaders. It would be biased not to give other leaders the platform to get their message out because one leader of a party refuses to participate.


I cannot see how any of these debates can go ahead on any of the PSB broadcasters due to Ofcom and BBC Trust regulations with regard to impartial and even handed coverage. During election periods, such things are literally measured in minutes if not seconds to ensure overall impartiality between the main contenders over the election period. It's an interesting situation.

I'm unsure about TV, but in radio, you can simply state the name, party and basic policies in the case of somebody failing to show up IIRC. As I've said, that is just for radio. However, I'd imagine similar rules would apply. If a party turns down the opportunity to represent themselves, that isn't the broadcasters fault.
Last edited by BBI45 on 19 April 2017 9:44pm
DV
dvboy
Surely all they would need to do is say that they were invited to take part but declined.

The likes of the BBC, ITV and Sky will have summaries of the parties and their policies on their news websites, so can point to them rather than list them all on air.

There was an item on the Manchester Gorton by-election last week on Sky News, in which they interviewed candidates for the major parties, listed them all on a graphic and pointed viewers to the website.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
OFCOM's programme code section 6.9 is pertinent

Quote:
6.9
If a candidate takes part in an item about his/her particular constituency, or
electoral area, then broadcasters must offer the opportunity to take part in such
items to all candidates within the constituency or electoral area representing
parties with previous significant electoral support or where there is evidence
of significant current support. This also applies to independent candidates.
However, if a candidate refuses or is unable to participate, the item may
nevertheless go ahead


The last sentence is the key one - I think until relatively recently one candidate's refusal to take part could put the kaibosh on things, now they get the empty chair treatment.
BB
BBI45
OFCOM's programme code section 6.9 is pertinent

Quote:
6.9
If a candidate takes part in an item about his/her particular constituency, or
electoral area, then broadcasters must offer the opportunity to take part in such
items to all candidates within the constituency or electoral area representing
parties with previous significant electoral support or where there is evidence
of significant current support. This also applies to independent candidates.
However, if a candidate refuses or is unable to participate, the item may
nevertheless go ahead


The last sentence is the key one - I think until relatively recently one candidate's refusal to take part could put the kaibosh on things, now they get the empty chair treatment.

Thanks for the clarification.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
It does seem strange that the broadcast media is so heavily constrained yet the newspapers can print whatever they like. Although perhaps unusually for me, I would want the newspapers to be reined in rather than broadcasters to have the same "freedoms".
WW
WW Update
It does seem strange that the broadcast media is so heavily constrained yet the newspapers can print whatever they like.


Broadcasters use airwaves that are both public and limited, so they face tougher regulation. On the other hand, just about any company or organization can set up and publish a newspaper (without making use of a publicly owned resource), so there's less of a justification to regulate. Besides, broadcast signals come into my home, whereas I'm always free to purchase -- or not to purchase -- a newspaper.
SW
Steve Williams
Who is actually her deputy now?


It's an interesting question. Obviously between 2010-2015 we had a deputy Prime Minister, which made the answer fairly obvious. After that, George Osbourne started to fill in for David Cameron at PMQs (as First Secretary of State). When May took up the role of PM, she didn't nominate a new First Secretary of State - David Lidington (the Leader of the House of Commons) took PMQs when the PM was away just before Christmas. It seems a little odd, but perhaps he is No.2 in this regard?


Well, of course, while Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg wouldn't have stood in for Cameron in this situation because they represent different parties. The Conservatives don't have a deputy leader, and Deputy Prime Minister is an ad-hoc position awarded at the Prime Minister's discretion. There are other ways for party leaders to highlight number twos without making a formal appointment - when Cameron was Leader of the Opposition, William Hague was titled "Senior Member of the Shadow Cabinet" to make him an ostensible deputy. But it's not an automatic position that has to be filled.

In reality, the replacement for May if she declined to attend and they wanted another Conservative would be a senior cabinet minister. It's happened before anyway - in the build-up to the 1987 Election, the Beeb ran a series of programmes with the public questioning the party leaders, but while Kinnock and Steel took part, Thatcher refused to do so because they were being presented by Sue Lawley and she refused to be interviewed by her again after the Diana Gould incident in 1983, so Norman Tebbit did it, at that point Conservative Party Chairman - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/78c6c8b91afa4852a5ba7c6f4f24fe82

In fact in that programme there was a misunderstanding with Tebbit when there was a bit of dead air and then both her and Lawley started talking at the same time, and Lawley said, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you'd forgotten what you were going to say". Tebbit thought she was trying to stitch him up, and then Tebbit refused to be interviewed by her again as well.
SL
Shaun Linden
Good Morning Britain says this morning PM is considering a Q&A session on TV. One would guess that would be the same as the Question Time special with the 3 leaders.
CR
Critique
Who is actually her deputy now?


It's an interesting question. Obviously between 2010-2015 we had a deputy Prime Minister, which made the answer fairly obvious. After that, George Osbourne started to fill in for David Cameron at PMQs (as First Secretary of State). When May took up the role of PM, she didn't nominate a new First Secretary of State - David Lidington (the Leader of the House of Commons) took PMQs when the PM was away just before Christmas. It seems a little odd, but perhaps he is No.2 in this regard?


Well, of course, while Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg wouldn't have stood in for Cameron in this situation because they represent different parties.


Oh yes, I was only speaking in the sense of who would step in at PMQs - obviously Nick Clegg wouldn't attend an election debate on David Cameron's behalf!

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