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noggin12,683 posts since 26 Jun 2001

Yes, but that wouldn't be cost effective, evident by the fact some ITV HD regions (all of which significantly larger than CTV's) also are not available on DTT (but are on D-Sat)


I don't think you can equate what happens elsewhere within ITV plc and what happens on the Channel Islands...

Removal of ITV - or lack of provision of ITV - isn't ITV's issue is it? It's presumably the BBC/ATOS/Arqiva's? ITV are presumably not paying the BBC for carriage on PSB3 on the Channel Islands, so the BBC/Arqiva/ATOS must presumably create an ITV-free variant, as a result?


Well, I'm not sure, as CTV are now fully owned (?) by ITV PLC what's to stop one of the other ITV HD regions being provided there ? The same question applies to ITV+1 on PSB 2, whose place is taken by ITV 3 on that
mux.


Surely there are compliance issues for a random ITV region to be broadcast in the Channel Islands? It's not part of the UK and advertisers would have to ensure their adverts were correctly tailored (as per the days when TVS was carried over night?)
Markymark5,038 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today

I don't think you can equate what happens elsewhere within ITV plc and what happens on the Channel Islands...

Removal of ITV - or lack of provision of ITV - isn't ITV's issue is it? It's presumably the BBC/ATOS/Arqiva's? ITV are presumably not paying the BBC for carriage on PSB3 on the Channel Islands, so the BBC/Arqiva/ATOS must presumably create an ITV-free variant, as a result?


Well, I'm not sure, as CTV are now fully owned (?) by ITV PLC what's to stop one of the other ITV HD regions being provided there ? The same question applies to ITV+1 on PSB 2, whose place is taken by ITV 3 on that
mux.


Surely there are compliance issues for a random ITV region to be broadcast in the Channel Islands? It's not part of the UK and advertisers would have to ensure their adverts were correctly tailored (as per the days when TVS was carried over night?)


Yes, that might be the case, though C4, C5, etc don't tailor their ads (or programmes) for the CI. I assume C5's gambling stuff goes out there ?
ashley b1,528 posts since 29 Mar 2001
Granada North West Today
in fact has anybody seen any local ads on the local stations yet ?


Yes, there's quite a few on that's Manchester, I don't watch regularly, only flicking on now and then to see if any things changed, but I've seen ones for an art gallery in Hale, one for a fancy dress shop in the Arndale (I think there was a special one at Halloween) and one for a local kitchen design firm, to name three. Some are better produced than others...
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noggin12,683 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Or it's the same variant that the south gets, but they get a different service table?


I suspect they'd still Null Packet out the ITV HD PIDs to avoid reception using DIY solutions (like a PC with a DVB-T2 stick that lets you manually force VID and AID PIDs)


I've been given chapter and verse, it's the PSB3 London HD mux, with ITV HD Null Packeted


Hurrah - my guess was somewhere close to being right Smile
TVEngineer16 posts since 12 Jan 2017
Meridian (South) South Today
I would be amazed if they hadn't rationalised that when they moved Channel to smaller premises rather than building playout facilities?

It may be that Chiswick treats Channel as a sub region of Meridian.


If Chiswick is involved, then implementing an HD version of it should be easy, or at the very least providing an HD version to the islands (Meridian Kent HD for instance ?) which hasn't happened yet.

That's what makes me think Channel are still doing local pres, in their new building. It's not that complicated
if they are, I suspect a similar operation to a BBC English region, using the news studio gallery and servers for the pres facility too ?



Chiswick are indeed involved. Wales moved north to allow Chiswick to add Channel to their regional opt play-out. All regional chains are now fully HD and downscaled for SD purposes as I understand it.
I work in telly, I sometimes get time to watch telly. More of a technology geek than a presentation geek!
Markymark5,038 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
I would be amazed if they hadn't rationalised that when they moved Channel to smaller premises rather than building playout facilities?

It may be that Chiswick treats Channel as a sub region of Meridian.


If Chiswick is involved, then implementing an HD version of it should be easy, or at the very least providing an HD version to the islands (Meridian Kent HD for instance ?) which hasn't happened yet.

That's what makes me think Channel are still doing local pres, in their new building. It's not that complicated
if they are, I suspect a similar operation to a BBC English region, using the news studio gallery and servers for the pres facility too ?



Chiswick are indeed involved. Wales moved north to allow Chiswick to add Channel to their regional opt play-out . All regional chains are now fully HD and downscaled for SD purposes as I understand it.


So what's stopping Channel HD from appearing on the CI version of PSB 3 then, presumably the cost of emission coding it by ATOS ?
noggin12,683 posts since 26 Jun 2001

If Chiswick is involved, then implementing an HD version of it should be easy, or at the very least providing an HD version to the islands (Meridian Kent HD for instance ?) which hasn't happened yet.

That's what makes me think Channel are still doing local pres, in their new building. It's not that complicated
if they are, I suspect a similar operation to a BBC English region, using the news studio gallery and servers for the pres facility too ?



Chiswick are indeed involved. Wales moved north to allow Chiswick to add Channel to their regional opt play-out . All regional chains are now fully HD and downscaled for SD purposes as I understand it.


So what's stopping Channel HD from appearing on the CI version of PSB 3 then, presumably the cost of emission coding it by ATOS ?


Do ATOS still do the emission coding? I know a lot of the former Siemens/ATOS stuff has been brought back in-house - but don't know for sure about coding and mux. (CAA/CAR/SatOps is now back in-house and part of a team that also includes 'SCAR' and the 'London Control Room' Radio switching operation I believe)
Markymark5,038 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today


Chiswick are indeed involved. Wales moved north to allow Chiswick to add Channel to their regional opt play-out . All regional chains are now fully HD and downscaled for SD purposes as I understand it.


So what's stopping Channel HD from appearing on the CI version of PSB 3 then, presumably the cost of emission coding it by ATOS ?


Do ATOS still do the emission coding? I know a lot of the former Siemens/ATOS stuff has been brought back in-house - but don't know for sure about coding and mux.


Not sure, it's the 'Aurora' initiative I think to bring back certain functions to internal BBC ? Anyway, whoever is running it, will still require paying !