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Relaunch & beyond (October 2005)

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MO
Moz
w12 posted:
cat posted:
Dunedin posted:


I'm sorry but that's bullsh!t- try getting caught in an explosion before making grandiose statements about how noble you would be..


Erm, sorry, she is a reporter. Her job is to report the news. She works for an international news organisation.

Do you not think, therefore, that she might've phoned up and mentioned that a bloody great bomb had gone off in her hotel relatively swiftly (given this is her job, and she is on standby 24/7/365) after the event, rather than not getting on air for about half an hour after the event.

It's not noble, it's what she's employed to do. If I were a BBC News hack, and knew I had a reporter available there and then who witnessed the incident I'd rather expect them to tell me about it ASAP, not in half an hour's time when Reuters have already done it for me.

If she didn't have the technology to do so, fair enough, but I imagine she carries a phone with her everywhere. She is an excellent reporter generally, from what I have seen of her in Iraq, but it does rather bring into question the system of production at the BBC when they have a correspondent witnessing an event and yet still rely on a wire service to report it.


I've just been talking to someone who knows. Caroline Hawley was on leave (from Baghdad!). She was in one of the public areas of the hotel, and her mobile was (and probably still is) in her room. You can't humanely have a go at her for pulling herself together, checking the people she was with were fine, then trying to find out a little of what happened before finding someone else's phone and filing. And it has to be said that if you were at the scene of one of these explosions you couldn't automatically assume it was a bomb (albeit easily the most likely). There doesn't seem to have been too much structural damage to the hotels, and I believe there were some reports of a "gas explosion".

Caroline though - poor thing - Lord only knows how her nerves are. She is a very brave lady!

I'm with Cat on this. She should have been on the phone to London quicker. Reporters who work in that region are the sort of people who often put 'the story' ahead of their own personal safety. Why the hell did she leave her mobile in her room? I bet she is as annoyed as anyone and will make sure she has a mobile on her at all times she's in the region from now on.

If John Simpson had been in that hotel, he'd have been live on air within minutes. Remember when he was bombed by the US in Iraq? I remember listening to Radio 4 when he barged on to the air with the shocking news. That's what makes a great reporter.

(Sorry, this is nothing to do with the Sky thread but I was just continuing the discussion)
LO
Londoner
Moz posted:
I'm with Cat on this. She should have been on the phone to London quicker. Reporters who work in that region are the sort of people who often put 'the story' ahead of their own personal safety. Why the hell did she leave her mobile in her room?

Good grief, give the woman a break. She was just sitting down to dinner, for goodness' sake. In the bigger scheme of things whether she took five minutes or ten minutes to get on air is of very little consequence. The main thing is she was on the ground and able to provide on-the-spot reports of events that the other UK networks simply couldn't match.
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A former member
CNN's Hala Gorina was in Amman, im not sure if she was in the hotel though.
JW
JamesWorldNews
No she wasn't, but Hala Gorani may have been though!


I still don't see any improvement in Ginny Buckley's performance on the new Sky News. She is still incredibly wooden and out of place.

The edition of Sky News Today anchored by Anna, Jonesie and Martin is excellent. (I wonder if the gallery calls them Bottie and Jonesie to avoid confusion as to which Anna is to take the feed or the next item........)

James
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A former member
No she wasn't, but Hala Gorani may have been though!

What u mean sorry, its ok, ive not long got up.
BC
bcdr
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Good grief, give the woman a break. She was just sitting down to dinner, for goodness' sake. In the bigger scheme of things whether she took five minutes or ten minutes to get on air is of very little consequence. The main thing is she was on the ground and able to provide on-the-spot reports of events that the other UK networks simply couldn't match.[/quote]

Spot on!
NG
noggin Founding member
Yes - it isn't unusual for people staying in hotels not to take their mobile phones to dinner if they are staying in the hotel - especially if they are on holiday...

Also there is no guarantee that you'd have got a line if everyone was trying to dial out - and I don't know how concentrated cellular coverage is in Amman - so it may have less capacity than a London cell phone structure. (The larger the cells, the fewer instantaneous calls can be made in a given area)
NG
noggin Founding member
BBC WORLD posted:
I am sure Mr. Rubin just needs some time to acclimatize to the breaking / rolling news channel requirements.


Possibly - though he isn't improving that visibly at the moment... This is the problem with a high-profile, non-broadcaster, being signed up to carry a high-profile show. You can't put them on a graveyard shift to learn their trade (as this would not be appropriate to their high-profile background), so you have to cross your fingers and hope you are lucky and have found a natural broadcaster, or you have to put them in a very produced and controlled environment, with a lot of TLC. (Say a weekly show that allows for LOTS of rehearsal and coaching)

A months piloting is not going to turn a non-broadcaster into a slick continuous news professional - or even a competent amateur - capable of delivering a polished performance in a conventional continuous news operation.

Some people do take time to grow into the job but some people will just never be comfortable to watch on-screen. Doesn't mean they are stupid, un-intelligent or not experts in other areas, just that this form of broadcasting is not for them. I just hope that Sky and James Rubin can achieve an agreement that allows them to retain his expertise, and not continue to expose his failings.

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Chris Roberts IS very good, isn't he?


He's OK (though for some reason I find him slighly uncomfortable to watch) - though I think appearing in any show with James Rubin presenting will make you look good.
LO
Londoner
17:00 pm says the Live at Five promo Rolling Eyes
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A former member
Maybe SATURDAY LIVE would work well on Sky One, as for Live At 5, its not what it use to be. I though Live At 5 was ment to be a comprehensive round up of the days main news stories. I think its lost its air of what it was suppose to be. It has sadly died from lack of Oxygen (Anna Botting)
GR
gregmc
Nice tweak to the VT wipe at TOTH, it now has a lens flare... looks much more profesional
CH
chromakey123
Don't believe the hype...

Three days running now, if you look at the figures across the whole of the day, Sky News is ahead of BBC News 24 - albeit by a small margin.

As the new shows + new format bed down, and the marketing kicks in, I think Sky will pull away from the Beeb.

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