SN
What do you mean for the first time?
You (as I recall) have been the most vocal with you hatrid for it.
I'm quite pleased they are mixing up the running orders. Keeps it fresh and I have to say, contrary to the previous posts, this in my mind is the most in depth journalism I have seen from Sky in a while.
timmy posted:
Yes, I agree - the set is pretty spectacular and the graphics are very swish but for the first time (I think ever) I found myself switching to BBC News 24 for the "proper" news.
I can't get my head around how their running orders work... their top story isn't the main headline - like at 11am 'Wilma' was their first headline but the "main story" was Birmingham?!
And they spend more time telling us how they'll cover the news, rather than actually telling us about it.
On the big story of today, the Baghdad blasts - Sky News were very definitely a woeful second place. By my count News 24 had the pictures on the telly more than 5 minutes before Sky.
(And something else re their promos which feature clapper boards with presenters talking about their shows... surely if Sky News is always live, why the need for clapper boards? Is this a case of style over content - on Sky News? Shome mishtake shurely?)
I can't get my head around how their running orders work... their top story isn't the main headline - like at 11am 'Wilma' was their first headline but the "main story" was Birmingham?!
And they spend more time telling us how they'll cover the news, rather than actually telling us about it.
On the big story of today, the Baghdad blasts - Sky News were very definitely a woeful second place. By my count News 24 had the pictures on the telly more than 5 minutes before Sky.
(And something else re their promos which feature clapper boards with presenters talking about their shows... surely if Sky News is always live, why the need for clapper boards? Is this a case of style over content - on Sky News? Shome mishtake shurely?)
What do you mean for the first time?
You (as I recall) have been the most vocal with you hatrid for it.
I'm quite pleased they are mixing up the running orders. Keeps it fresh and I have to say, contrary to the previous posts, this in my mind is the most in depth journalism I have seen from Sky in a while.
BE
You're exactly right! I thought they looked very familiar...but I couldn't work out which news programme I'd seen them on before. As it happens, it was in fact a spoof news programme - as you say, worrying!!
cat posted:
Jesus. It's just hit me. I knew I'd seen those straps before.
The Day Today!
They animate in almost exactly the same way. Very worrying.
The Day Today!
They animate in almost exactly the same way. Very worrying.
You're exactly right! I thought they looked very familiar...but I couldn't work out which news programme I'd seen them on before. As it happens, it was in fact a spoof news programme - as you say, worrying!!
HA
What do you mean for the first time?
You (as I recall) have been the most vocal with you hatrid for it.
I'm quite pleased they are mixing up the running orders. Keeps it fresh and I have to say, contrary to the previous posts, this in my mind is the most in depth journalism I have seen from Sky in a while.
Yes I think people have forgotten, Sky News have attempted to break away from a rolling news format, this is why we are seeing Sky News like this, give it time to bed, they'll get the mix right.
Having said I watched a few minutes of James Rubin, he didn't look at ease at all with the camera, and almost stuttered his goodbye speech too.
harshy
Founding member
Snu posted:
timmy posted:
Yes, I agree - the set is pretty spectacular and the graphics are very swish but for the first time (I think ever) I found myself switching to BBC News 24 for the "proper" news.
I can't get my head around how their running orders work... their top story isn't the main headline - like at 11am 'Wilma' was their first headline but the "main story" was Birmingham?!
And they spend more time telling us how they'll cover the news, rather than actually telling us about it.
On the big story of today, the Baghdad blasts - Sky News were very definitely a woeful second place. By my count News 24 had the pictures on the telly more than 5 minutes before Sky.
(And something else re their promos which feature clapper boards with presenters talking about their shows... surely if Sky News is always live, why the need for clapper boards? Is this a case of style over content - on Sky News? Shome mishtake shurely?)
I can't get my head around how their running orders work... their top story isn't the main headline - like at 11am 'Wilma' was their first headline but the "main story" was Birmingham?!
And they spend more time telling us how they'll cover the news, rather than actually telling us about it.
On the big story of today, the Baghdad blasts - Sky News were very definitely a woeful second place. By my count News 24 had the pictures on the telly more than 5 minutes before Sky.
(And something else re their promos which feature clapper boards with presenters talking about their shows... surely if Sky News is always live, why the need for clapper boards? Is this a case of style over content - on Sky News? Shome mishtake shurely?)
What do you mean for the first time?
You (as I recall) have been the most vocal with you hatrid for it.
I'm quite pleased they are mixing up the running orders. Keeps it fresh and I have to say, contrary to the previous posts, this in my mind is the most in depth journalism I have seen from Sky in a while.
Yes I think people have forgotten, Sky News have attempted to break away from a rolling news format, this is why we are seeing Sky News like this, give it time to bed, they'll get the mix right.
Having said I watched a few minutes of James Rubin, he didn't look at ease at all with the camera, and almost stuttered his goodbye speech too.
W1
By the way, Rubin started his Blair interview mentioning at least twelve dead in Baghdad today, which broke at about 1610 on News24 and 1615 on Sky News. Quite a quick turnaround for such a long interview - must have had a director in Downing Street (who didn't mind cables in shot behind the PM!).
I suspect that the 'Iraq body count' was at least twelve prior to the Hotel bombings - unfortunately - and that the enhanced relevance is therefore coincidental.
Sorry - didn't make it clear - he was explicitly talking about the Palestine Hotel bombs.
DVB Cornwall posted:
w12 posted:
By the way, Rubin started his Blair interview mentioning at least twelve dead in Baghdad today, which broke at about 1610 on News24 and 1615 on Sky News. Quite a quick turnaround for such a long interview - must have had a director in Downing Street (who didn't mind cables in shot behind the PM!).
I suspect that the 'Iraq body count' was at least twelve prior to the Hotel bombings - unfortunately - and that the enhanced relevance is therefore coincidental.
Sorry - didn't make it clear - he was explicitly talking about the Palestine Hotel bombs.
GB
surely i can't be the only one who actually quite
likes
the balcony thing on sunrise?!
personally speaking, i prefer the balcony set to the sofa style/soft set for sunrise in particular. i also thought (albeit perhaps with too much seemingly-scripted banter) that eamonn was good this morning. i think he and lorna will work really well together when they are under pressure with plenty of 'proper stories' and breaking news (ie when the "kate bush sings a song" story dies)...
personally speaking, i prefer the balcony set to the sofa style/soft set for sunrise in particular. i also thought (albeit perhaps with too much seemingly-scripted banter) that eamonn was good this morning. i think he and lorna will work really well together when they are under pressure with plenty of 'proper stories' and breaking news (ie when the "kate bush sings a song" story dies)...
HA
I like the balcony too, it really makes a refreshing change.
harshy
Founding member
geordie boi posted:
surely i can't be the only one who actually quite
likes
the balcony thing on sunrise?!
personally speaking, i prefer the balcony set to the sofa style/soft set for sunrise in particular. i also thought (albeit perhaps with too much seemingly-scripted banter) that eamonn was good this morning. i think he and lorna will work really well together when they are under pressure with plenty of 'proper stories' and breaking news (ie when the "kate bush sings a song" story dies)...
personally speaking, i prefer the balcony set to the sofa style/soft set for sunrise in particular. i also thought (albeit perhaps with too much seemingly-scripted banter) that eamonn was good this morning. i think he and lorna will work really well together when they are under pressure with plenty of 'proper stories' and breaking news (ie when the "kate bush sings a song" story dies)...
I like the balcony too, it really makes a refreshing change.
AN
No offense, geordi boy (being a Geordie myself), but are you not slightly sick of the variations upon fluffy news broadcasts first thing in the morning?
For example, I like Radio 5 Live as much as the next guy, but it's the Today programme that would be most likely to wake me up and make me think.
For one, I really miss the BBC Breakfast News of the virtual era (93-99) - at least I had some choice. Now Sky News's hard approach has gone, what options am I left with?
geordie boi posted:
surely i can't be the only one who actually quite
likes
the balcony thing on sunrise?!
personally speaking, i prefer the balcony set to the sofa style/soft set for sunrise in particular. i also thought (albeit perhaps with too much seemingly-scripted banter) that eamonn was good this morning. i think he and lorna will work really well together when they are under pressure with plenty of 'proper stories' and breaking news (ie when the "kate bush sings a song" story dies)...
personally speaking, i prefer the balcony set to the sofa style/soft set for sunrise in particular. i also thought (albeit perhaps with too much seemingly-scripted banter) that eamonn was good this morning. i think he and lorna will work really well together when they are under pressure with plenty of 'proper stories' and breaking news (ie when the "kate bush sings a song" story dies)...
No offense, geordi boy (being a Geordie myself), but are you not slightly sick of the variations upon fluffy news broadcasts first thing in the morning?
For example, I like Radio 5 Live as much as the next guy, but it's the Today programme that would be most likely to wake me up and make me think.
For one, I really miss the BBC Breakfast News of the virtual era (93-99) - at least I had some choice. Now Sky News's hard approach has gone, what options am I left with?
GB
Hi Johnnyboy. I see your point, and know where you're coming from. (Newcastle, you told me that already, lol)
But personally, no! ITV News Channel (breakfast) is behind a desk. BBC News 24 is .. quite simply awful .. and the other alternatives are effectively CNN (where Baghdad seems to be top story every day interlaced with advert breaks every 55 seconds) or GMTV which is .. yep .. sofas !!
I don't know, I'm in agreement with Harshy on this one - I think for me it works just because it's different and - a bit like a pint of woodpecker - it makes a refreshing change!!
But personally, no! ITV News Channel (breakfast) is behind a desk. BBC News 24 is .. quite simply awful .. and the other alternatives are effectively CNN (where Baghdad seems to be top story every day interlaced with advert breaks every 55 seconds) or GMTV which is .. yep .. sofas !!
I don't know, I'm in agreement with Harshy on this one - I think for me it works just because it's different and - a bit like a pint of woodpecker - it makes a refreshing change!!
PC
Oh my God - they killed Sky News.
It's hard to know where to begin with what is wrong with this new look. The terminally-annoying Eamonn Holmes interrupting the sports presenter every two seconds to talk pish, The messed-up news agenda which leads to News 24 (News 24, for God's sake) beating them to breaking news. The fact the ticker falls off my screen. The new weather map which looks like Britain is soaked in bubble bath. The less-than-subtle move towards Fox News-esque personality news programmes.
The trick with Sky News wasn't polished programming, analysis or anything else - it was raw, rough and ready, breaking news. They didn't learn from the day a suspected suicide bomber was shot down and they continued with their scheduled discussion programme. Instead, they've set the whole channel up so it becomes more difficult to break news.
And more annoying than anything else, the fact that I'll need to watch the ITV News Channel in the morning now for a news programme which doesn't involve some desperate attempt at personality programming.
BBC1 is full of middle-England, sub-regional news guff, GMTV is TV for the brain-dead, and Sky News now wants to be GMTV.
At least I don't need to feel guilty about watching Fox News' sister channel any more.
It's hard to know where to begin with what is wrong with this new look. The terminally-annoying Eamonn Holmes interrupting the sports presenter every two seconds to talk pish, The messed-up news agenda which leads to News 24 (News 24, for God's sake) beating them to breaking news. The fact the ticker falls off my screen. The new weather map which looks like Britain is soaked in bubble bath. The less-than-subtle move towards Fox News-esque personality news programmes.
The trick with Sky News wasn't polished programming, analysis or anything else - it was raw, rough and ready, breaking news. They didn't learn from the day a suspected suicide bomber was shot down and they continued with their scheduled discussion programme. Instead, they've set the whole channel up so it becomes more difficult to break news.
And more annoying than anything else, the fact that I'll need to watch the ITV News Channel in the morning now for a news programme which doesn't involve some desperate attempt at personality programming.
BBC1 is full of middle-England, sub-regional news guff, GMTV is TV for the brain-dead, and Sky News now wants to be GMTV.
At least I don't need to feel guilty about watching Fox News' sister channel any more.
SC
I wouldn't really agree with that statement. However, you do have a point, but I think (and hope) it's only temporary. I think the the problem is simply that this is the biggest change for Sky News since it's creation. Therefore they've suddenly become a bit self-absorbed and in awe of their new facilities (and to an extent, themselves).
I think this is why we see so much posing and walking about. I also think it's why the ident shows the studio and production centre - it's like they've become quite inward looking, and forgot that the news happens outside the studio (which is why I liked the old globe style titles, and also something which is shown superbly by the N24 countdown).
As soon as the novelty wears off and there's a few tweaks, it'll be the same Sky News we all know and love. It did need a change after all.
scottishtv
Founding member
p_c_u_k posted:
Oh my God - they killed Sky News.
I wouldn't really agree with that statement. However, you do have a point, but I think (and hope) it's only temporary. I think the the problem is simply that this is the biggest change for Sky News since it's creation. Therefore they've suddenly become a bit self-absorbed and in awe of their new facilities (and to an extent, themselves).
I think this is why we see so much posing and walking about. I also think it's why the ident shows the studio and production centre - it's like they've become quite inward looking, and forgot that the news happens outside the studio (which is why I liked the old globe style titles, and also something which is shown superbly by the N24 countdown).
As soon as the novelty wears off and there's a few tweaks, it'll be the same Sky News we all know and love. It did need a change after all.