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Relaunch & beyond (October 2005)

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MA
marksi
Time Warp posted:
Barney Boo posted:
So, what's Sky News' second-top story? Well, word-for-word from the headline strap:
Quote:
Rooney Kicks Ball


Frightening.


In all seriousness, that's quite big news!


That depends on your definition of news.

I see this afternoon there are large pointless "Press red for top stories" graphics again during the top stories.
TW
Time Warp
marksi posted:
Time Warp posted:
Barney Boo posted:
So, what's Sky News' second-top story? Well, word-for-word from the headline strap:
Quote:
Rooney Kicks Ball


Frightening.


In all seriousness, that's quite big news!


That depends on your definition of news.

I see this afternoon there are large pointless "Press red for top stories" graphics again during the top stories.


Surely that is very much in the nation's interest and in the public eye at the moment (press, tv, everywhere) and can therefore be deemed as fairly significant news?

That 'press red' appears every weekend for some reason.
MA
marksi
Time Warp posted:
marksi posted:
Time Warp posted:
Barney Boo posted:
So, what's Sky News' second-top story? Well, word-for-word from the headline strap:
Quote:
Rooney Kicks Ball


Frightening.


In all seriousness, that's quite big news!


That depends on your definition of news.

I see this afternoon there are large pointless "Press red for top stories" graphics again during the top stories.


Surely that is very much in the nation's interest and in the public eye at the moment (press, tv, everywhere) and can therefore be deemed as fairly significant news?

That 'press red' appears every weekend for some reason.


Maybe, if you're an English football supporter. In the scheme of things there are many more important things going on in the world and I don't believe it is the second most important issue in the country. Do you?

I'm rather hopeful England go out in the first round and we can move on to the annual Tim Henman/Andy Murray frenzy and get that out of the way, realising they're never actually going to win anything. That way we can get back to endlessly discussing a drought which doesn't affect that much of the country ad nauseum.
TW
Time Warp
marksi posted:
Maybe, if you're an English football supporter. In the scheme of things there are many more important things going on in the world and I don't believe it is the second most important issue in the country. Do you?


At the moment, most probably. I would place yesterday's events in london as more mportant, which I assume was top story. If something else was making an impact here then I would expect Rooney to be lower down on the rolling order, but, in my opinion, nothing else is.

While the idea of Rooney kicking a ball may seem insignificant, the developments from that could, and most probably will, make a huge impact to the England squad just a week before the world's biggest football tournament begins, and therefore the fans as well. Where you may not be an England fan, I can assure you that most people in this country are and Sky News have therefore prioritised a story regarding a world-class striker, and I believe that they are right for doing so.
FE
fernando
I couldn't give two hoots about football either.
marksi posted:

I'm rather hopeful England go out in the first round and we can move on to the annual Tim Henman/Andy Murray frenzy and get that out of the way, realising they're never actually going to win anything. That way we can get back to endlessly discussing a drought which doesn't affect that much of the country ad nauseum.

I like and relate to your cynicism.
RO
roo
Martin Popplewell was just being somewhat partisan on the issue of yesterday's police shooting whilst interviewing a woman who IIRC represented a human rights group. Whilst it's expected that he would offer the point that it's better to be safe (arresting/injuring innocents) than sorry (boom) to counter her argument, he was being bizarrely determined to defend the police without actually saying anything very new.
MA
Matrix
Barney Boo posted:
Martin Popplewell was just being somewhat partisan on the issue of yesterday's police shooting whilst interviewing a woman who IIRC represented a human rights group. Whilst it's expected that he would offer the point that it's better to be safe (arresting/injuring innocents) than sorry (boom) to counter her argument, he was being bizarrely determined to defend the police without actually saying anything very new.


Quality journalism.. Fox style.

What with Ginny having her little outburst not to long ago and now this, although I've not seen the incident myself, I wonder if they've had a wrist slapping yet; if at all.
MA
marksi
Time Warp posted:
marksi posted:
Maybe, if you're an English football supporter. In the scheme of things there are many more important things going on in the world and I don't believe it is the second most important issue in the country. Do you?


At the moment, most probably. I would place yesterday's events in london as more mportant, which I assume was top story. If something else was making an impact here then I would expect Rooney to be lower down on the rolling order, but, in my opinion, nothing else is.

While the idea of Rooney kicking a ball may seem insignificant, the developments from that could, and most probably will, make a huge impact to the England squad just a week before the world's biggest football tournament begins, and therefore the fans as well. Where you may not be an England fan, I can assure you that most people in this country are and Sky News have therefore prioritised a story regarding a world-class striker, and I believe that they are right for doing so.


With the addition this evening of a number of pints of beer my views are now more forthright. So here goes.

The World Cup (and injuries of it's participants) is not news. It is sport. Sky Sports News, yes. Sky News, no. English media has been banging on about 1966 for 40 years now. For the record, we know, and we don't give a fying fluck. Stop talking about it. There is a danger that if England won again we'd be hearing about it until I'm 74. It's a game. That is all. But if we have to talk about it - Northern Ireland 1, England 0. Ahem.

Thankfully there is hope. The BBC Ten O'Clock News team have been producing fantastic stuff in the last couple of weeks with the investigations into American military massacres of Iraqis. The 1 and 6 are a pile of bollocks. On Friday's One there was a story about how there was a shortage of girl guide instructors 10 minutes higher up the running order than the Iranian nuclear story. The fact is that the bulletins should be carrying more or less the same stories, though possibly told in a different manner. They're not. Their news agendas are miles apart.

There is a wider issue here. What is news? Is news what people *think* is important or is it what is *actually* important? Should the audience be fed a diet of inconsequential rubbish about a broken toe or should they be informed of what are the real issues of the day?

Compare Channel 4 News and and any ITV bulletin and tell me which you prefer.
TW
Time Warp
marksi posted:
There is a wider issue here. What is news?


You've hit the nail on the head and summed up your argument in one sentence there. We all have different perceptions of what is news and what is not; I believe, along with Sky News, that that Rooney story was fairly signficant, whereas you do not. It's opinion, as everyone is entitled to.
MA
marksi
Time Warp posted:
marksi posted:
There is a wider issue here. What is news?


You've hit the nail on the head and summed up your argument in one sentence there. We all have different perceptions of what is news and what is not; I believe, along with Sky News, that that Rooney story was fairly signficant, whereas you do not. It's opinion, as everyone is entitled to.


Should Wayne Rooney's toe be higher on the news agenda than the fact that the Americans have discovered that their troops need a course to learn that shooting innocent people dead is wrong?
JA
jamesmd
To be fair Mark, most of the intelligent world has known that since March 2003
FU
fusionlad Founding member
New straps I see for the World Cup coverage.

The trophy on the strap is outside 4:3 and possibly even 14:9 safe areas, so just spinning away there for widescreen viewers.

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