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Inspector Sands12,178 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The difference being News 24 could do it when nobody was watching it, pre-digital!

That is true, but it does happen with every system, both on new and established operations.


Normally a few weeks or months in when everyone's getting confident or complacent about it, it'll fall over spectacularly. But when it does happen everyone learns from it and either things are put into place to prevent it or they know what to do to fix it next time.
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dosxuk4,013 posts since 22 Oct 2005
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)

The difference being News 24 could do it when nobody was watching it, pre-digital!

That is true, but it does happen with every system, both on new and established operations.


Normally a few weeks or months in when everyone's getting confident or complacent about it, it'll fall over spectacularly. But when it does happen everyone learns from it and either things are put into place to prevent it or they know what to do to fix it next time.


In a way you want complicated systems to fall over regularly. That way you get everyone used to it, and can develop procedures to minimise the impact. One of the worst things to happen with something complicated, but critical to your work, is for it to work for years without any problems, until one day it just falls over and nobody has any idea how to do what it does manually, or where to start troubleshooting the fault.
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skyQhater (previously itv2010V2) 271 posts since 30 Sep 2017

The difference being News 24 could do it when nobody was watching it, pre-digital!

That is true, but it does happen with every system, both on new and established operations.


Normally a few weeks or months in when everyone's getting confident or complacent about it, it'll fall over spectacularly. But when it does happen everyone learns from it and either things are put into place to prevent it or they know what to do to fix it next time.

Um, I didn't post that, VMPhil did. Quoting error perhaps?
Change back to ITV1, as it's less confusing than calling the channel ITV and calling the company ITV!
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Rkolsen2,008 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World

The difference being News 24 could do it when nobody was watching it, pre-digital!

That is true, but it does happen with every system, both on new and established operations.


Normally a few weeks or months in when everyone's getting confident or complacent about it, it'll fall over spectacularly. But when it does happen everyone learns from it and either things are put into place to prevent it or they know what to do to fix it next time.

Um, I didn't post that, VMPhil did. Quoting error perhaps?


Wasn’t BBC News before ITV Digital/Freview/FreeSat launched carried on cable? I know there’s only one or two providers now. According to this article it was only available in two million homes.
Inspector Sands12,178 posts since 25 Aug 2004

Um, I didn't post that, VMPhil did. Quoting error perhaps?

Yes I assume so, sorry about that


Wasn’t BBC News before ITV Digital/Freview/FreeSat launched carried on cable? I know there’s only one or two providers now. According to this article it was only available in two million homes.

Yes, it launched in 1997, a year before ON digital and Sky Digital launched so was only on analogue cable as well as overnights on BBC1.


BBC Choice also launched before digital TV officially launched, but only by a few weeks, it was used as a showcase channel for digital and the programmes were repeated so often that when the public could buy boxes to see it they didn't moss much
Markymark5,487 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today

Um, I didn't post that, VMPhil did. Quoting error perhaps?

Yes I assume so, sorry about that


Wasn’t BBC News before ITV Digital/Freview/FreeSat launched carried on cable? I know there’s only one or two providers now. According to this article it was only available in two million homes.

Yes, it launched in 1997, a year before ON digital and Sky Digital launched so was only on analogue cable as well as overnights on BBC1.


BBC Choice also launched before digital TV officially launched, but only by a few weeks, it was used as a showcase channel for digital and the programmes were repeated so often that when the public could buy boxes to see it they didn't moss much


Yes, I remember seeing BBC Choice and News 24 delivered by Sky boxes on a BBC stand at the Live 98 consumer show, I think is was August/Sept ish, so a month before Sky Digital launch on Oct 1st
noggin13,317 posts since 26 Jun 2001
That is true, but it does happen with every system, both on new and established operations.


Normally a few weeks or months in when everyone's getting confident or complacent about it, it'll fall over spectacularly. But when it does happen everyone learns from it and either things are put into place to prevent it or they know what to do to fix it next time.

Um, I didn't post that, VMPhil did. Quoting error perhaps?


Wasn’t BBC News before ITV Digital/Freview/FreeSat launched carried on cable? I know there’s only one or two providers now. According to this article it was only available in two million homes.


Yes - BBC News 24 was only available to consumers on analogue cable and overnight on BBC One for the first year of broadcast (Nov '97 until Nov '9Cool It was thus only available in 14:9 letterbox (as both analogue cable and BBC One overnight were still 4:3 analogue outlets)

It was almost certainly being carried on the various DVB-T test broadcasts that were happening, as was BBC Choice when it soft-launched (it wasn't on cable AFAIK)

The hard launch of DTT (and BBC services on DSat) was the same day that BBC News 24 moved from N9 to N8 in Nov '98 I think, and that was also the day that UK Today started covering the regional opt-out slots for BBC One digital (DTT and DSat were England-wide for BBC One). That was the first day that BBC 16:9 full-height broadcasts were available to consumers in the UK I think (so in theory nobody should have been able to have seen BBC News 24 from N9 in full-height 16:9 at home, only NCool
Woodpecker85 posts since 19 Jan 2018
Central (West) Midlands Today
Um, I didn't post that, VMPhil did. Quoting error perhaps?


Wasn’t BBC News before ITV Digital/Freview/FreeSat launched carried on cable? I know there’s only one or two providers now. According to this article it was only available in two million homes.


Yes - BBC News 24 was only available to consumers on analogue cable and overnight on BBC One for the first year of broadcast (Nov '97 until Nov '9Cool It was thus only available in 14:9 letterbox (as both analogue cable and BBC One overnight were still 4:3 analogue outlets)

It was almost certainly being carried on the various DVB-T test broadcasts that were happening, as was BBC Choice when it soft-launched (it wasn't on cable AFAIK)

The hard launch of DTT (and BBC services on DSat) was the same day that BBC News 24 moved from N9 to N8 in Nov '98 I think, and that was also the day that UK Today started covering the regional opt-out slots for BBC One digital (DTT and DSat were England-wide for BBC One). That was the first day that BBC 16:9 full-height broadcasts were available to consumers in the UK I think (so in theory nobody should have been able to have seen BBC News 24 from N9 in full-height 16:9 at home, only NCool


When exactly did BBC News become 16:9?