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What happened on Sep 11 was obscene, as has what has happened "because of it" since.
But am I the only one sick to death of hearing about September 11th and politicans crying crocodile tears over it? Change the freaking story please.
But am I the only one sick to death of hearing about September 11th and politicans crying crocodile tears over it? Change the freaking story please.
BB
It seems in some ways you have got your wish JB - the news channels haven't been devoting hours of airtime to analysing it and picking every single detail of the event.
9/11 (as much as I hate that date term as it's now being used by media whenever there's a major "event" i.e. 7/7) coverage has been much more subdued this year and not as 'intense' in the years previous where there was continuous blanket coverage on every channel.
All New Johnnyboy posted:
Change the freaking story please.
It seems in some ways you have got your wish JB - the news channels haven't been devoting hours of airtime to analysing it and picking every single detail of the event.
9/11 (as much as I hate that date term as it's now being used by media whenever there's a major "event" i.e. 7/7) coverage has been much more subdued this year and not as 'intense' in the years previous where there was continuous blanket coverage on every channel.
BB
No your not the only one, of course it was a major event at the time but its been four years now, a lot has happened since then in terms of human suffering and terrorism, even though im sure il get my head bitten off for saying this but it seems America is trying to milk 9/11 for all its worth and nowadays it isnt worth much. Fair enough a first anniversary ceremony but not every year after. Plenty going on in the rest of the world since then and yet there is no ceremony every year to commemorate it, some of the following havent even reached a year yet but lets see
Bali Bomb (3 Years)
Beslan (1 Year)
Madrid Train Bombings (1.5 Years)
Terror Attack on London (2 Months)
Tsunami (9 months)
Hurricane Katrina (2 Weeks)
All of these are still pretty recent, but I havent heard about the Bali Bomb in a long time, nor the Madrid Train Bombings, Even the Tsunami hasnt been covered recently and that was only nine months ago (of course there will be special coverage once the 1st anniversary rolls round), and Hurricane Katrina which isnt even a top story anymore.
All New Johnnyboy posted:
What happened on Sep 11 was obscene, as has what has happened "because of it" since.
But am I the only one sick to death of hearing about September 11th and politicans crying crocodile tears over it? Change the freaking story please.
But am I the only one sick to death of hearing about September 11th and politicans crying crocodile tears over it? Change the freaking story please.
No your not the only one, of course it was a major event at the time but its been four years now, a lot has happened since then in terms of human suffering and terrorism, even though im sure il get my head bitten off for saying this but it seems America is trying to milk 9/11 for all its worth and nowadays it isnt worth much. Fair enough a first anniversary ceremony but not every year after. Plenty going on in the rest of the world since then and yet there is no ceremony every year to commemorate it, some of the following havent even reached a year yet but lets see
Bali Bomb (3 Years)
Beslan (1 Year)
Madrid Train Bombings (1.5 Years)
Terror Attack on London (2 Months)
Tsunami (9 months)
Hurricane Katrina (2 Weeks)
All of these are still pretty recent, but I havent heard about the Bali Bomb in a long time, nor the Madrid Train Bombings, Even the Tsunami hasnt been covered recently and that was only nine months ago (of course there will be special coverage once the 1st anniversary rolls round), and Hurricane Katrina which isnt even a top story anymore.
IT
No your not the only one, of course it was a major event at the time but its been four years now, a lot has happened since then in terms of human suffering and terrorism, even though im sure il get my head bitten off for saying this but it seems America is trying to milk 9/11 for all its worth and nowadays it isnt worth much. Fair enough a first anniversary ceremony but not every year after. Plenty going on in the rest of the world since then and yet there is no ceremony every year to commemorate it, some of the following havent even reached a year yet but lets see
Bali Bomb (3 Years)
Beslan (1 Year)
Madrid Train Bombings (1.5 Years)
Terror Attack on London (2 Months)
Tsunami (9 months)
Hurricane Katrina (2 Weeks)
All of these are still pretty recent, but I havent heard about the Bali Bomb in a long time, nor the Madrid Train Bombings, Even the Tsunami hasnt been covered recently and that was only nine months ago (of course there will be special coverage once the 1st anniversary rolls round), and Hurricane Katrina which isnt even a top story anymore.
I can understand your point, but September 11th was completely different to all of the above due to the horrific nature of the attacks and the death toll. The tsunami killed more people, but it was a natural disaster, not a human induced one.
I'm sure there will be a ceremony of some sort next July for the London bombings, and there was a silence to mark the Madrid train bombs last March. But, the reason the 9/11 one has carried on for 4 years is that it was the first attack of its kind, so many people were killed by other humans, and the wounds are still very fresh. I was in New York City last week, and there was a full-scale funeral march for a firefighter they have only just identified since 9/11. It may seem that things have moved on from here in the UK, but believe me, the wounds are still very fresh over there.
itsrobert
Founding member
BBCTV2003 posted:
All New Johnnyboy posted:
What happened on Sep 11 was obscene, as has what has happened "because of it" since.
But am I the only one sick to death of hearing about September 11th and politicans crying crocodile tears over it? Change the freaking story please.
But am I the only one sick to death of hearing about September 11th and politicans crying crocodile tears over it? Change the freaking story please.
No your not the only one, of course it was a major event at the time but its been four years now, a lot has happened since then in terms of human suffering and terrorism, even though im sure il get my head bitten off for saying this but it seems America is trying to milk 9/11 for all its worth and nowadays it isnt worth much. Fair enough a first anniversary ceremony but not every year after. Plenty going on in the rest of the world since then and yet there is no ceremony every year to commemorate it, some of the following havent even reached a year yet but lets see
Bali Bomb (3 Years)
Beslan (1 Year)
Madrid Train Bombings (1.5 Years)
Terror Attack on London (2 Months)
Tsunami (9 months)
Hurricane Katrina (2 Weeks)
All of these are still pretty recent, but I havent heard about the Bali Bomb in a long time, nor the Madrid Train Bombings, Even the Tsunami hasnt been covered recently and that was only nine months ago (of course there will be special coverage once the 1st anniversary rolls round), and Hurricane Katrina which isnt even a top story anymore.
I can understand your point, but September 11th was completely different to all of the above due to the horrific nature of the attacks and the death toll. The tsunami killed more people, but it was a natural disaster, not a human induced one.
I'm sure there will be a ceremony of some sort next July for the London bombings, and there was a silence to mark the Madrid train bombs last March. But, the reason the 9/11 one has carried on for 4 years is that it was the first attack of its kind, so many people were killed by other humans, and the wounds are still very fresh. I was in New York City last week, and there was a full-scale funeral march for a firefighter they have only just identified since 9/11. It may seem that things have moved on from here in the UK, but believe me, the wounds are still very fresh over there.
GS
No it wasn't, Rob.
It was however the first attack on US soil since Pearl Harbour.
I wonder if the people on that march you attended have shed a tear over the people unneccessarily killed in Iraq since?
Americans still, "can't understand" why they were the subject of an attack in the first place.
I'm afraid that says it all, really.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
itsrobert posted:
But, the reason the 9/11 one has carried on for 4 years is that it was the first attack of its kind...
No it wasn't, Rob.
It was however the first attack on US soil since Pearl Harbour.
I wonder if the people on that march you attended have shed a tear over the people unneccessarily killed in Iraq since?
Americans still, "can't understand" why they were the subject of an attack in the first place.
I'm afraid that says it all, really.
GS
No Rob I won't. The point I am making is that terrorist atrocities are not new. The nature of them may change, but the net result of destruction and death are the same.
I'll bet that Bali and Madrid looked just as spectacular when they were blown to pieces - they just had less cameras pointing at them.
Maybe you are too young to remember what damage IRA bombs did?
But this is the whole thing I find objectionable - somehow it is "different" when it happens to America.
Well it isn't.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
itsrobert posted:
Name another incident where two large passenger planes were flown directly into two skyscrapers, then.
No Rob I won't. The point I am making is that terrorist atrocities are not new. The nature of them may change, but the net result of destruction and death are the same.
I'll bet that Bali and Madrid looked just as spectacular when they were blown to pieces - they just had less cameras pointing at them.
Maybe you are too young to remember what damage IRA bombs did?
But this is the whole thing I find objectionable - somehow it is "different" when it happens to America.
Well it isn't.
MA
I wonder if the people on that march you attended have shed a tear over the people unneccessarily killed in Iraq since?
Americans still, "can't understand" why they were the subject of an attack in the first place.
I'm afraid that says it all, really.
That is one of the best explanations I have ever heard to this "Terror Target question"
There was an American Professeur trying to explain that same point on "Al-Qeada : The Third World War" and completly failed to see this idea that America may, in part be responsible.
Times like these I wish people would listen to Gandhi.
Gavin Scott posted:
I wonder if the people on that march you attended have shed a tear over the people unneccessarily killed in Iraq since?
Americans still, "can't understand" why they were the subject of an attack in the first place.
I'm afraid that says it all, really.
That is one of the best explanations I have ever heard to this "Terror Target question"
There was an American Professeur trying to explain that same point on "Al-Qeada : The Third World War" and completly failed to see this idea that America may, in part be responsible.
Times like these I wish people would listen to Gandhi.
TV
No Rob I won't. The point I am making is that terrorist atrocities are not new. The nature of them may change, but the net result of destruction and death are the same.
I'll bet that Bali and Madrid looked just as spectacular when they were blown to pieces - they just had less cameras pointing at them.
Maybe you are too young to remember what damage IRA bombs did?
But this is the whole thing I find objectionable - somehow it is "different" when it happens to America.
Well it isn't.
IRA bombs killed very few people. The Bali bombs, which came after 9/11, killed 202. The Madrid bombs killed 191
The attrocities of 9/11 killed 2986. They were in a league of their own
Gavin Scott posted:
itsrobert posted:
Name another incident where two large passenger planes were flown directly into two skyscrapers, then.
No Rob I won't. The point I am making is that terrorist atrocities are not new. The nature of them may change, but the net result of destruction and death are the same.
I'll bet that Bali and Madrid looked just as spectacular when they were blown to pieces - they just had less cameras pointing at them.
Maybe you are too young to remember what damage IRA bombs did?
But this is the whole thing I find objectionable - somehow it is "different" when it happens to America.
Well it isn't.
IRA bombs killed very few people. The Bali bombs, which came after 9/11, killed 202. The Madrid bombs killed 191
The attrocities of 9/11 killed 2986. They were in a league of their own
IT
No Rob I won't. The point I am making is that terrorist atrocities are not new. The nature of them may change, but the net result of destruction and death are the same.
I'll bet that Bali and Madrid looked just as spectacular when they were blown to pieces - they just had less cameras pointing at them.
Maybe you are too young to remember what damage IRA bombs did?
But this is the whole thing I find objectionable - somehow it is "different" when it happens to America.
Well it isn't.
IRA bombs killed very few people. The Bali bombs, which came after 9/11, killed 202. The Madrid bombs killed 191
The attrocities of 9/11 killed 2986. They were in a league of their own
Exactly my point. And, Gavin, I do remember the IRA bombs. I was in Warrington the day it went off, and I'd been in Manchester hours before the bomb went off there. They killed nowhere near the number of people the attacks on 9/11 did. You might believe that the Americans brought it on themselves, but you can't dispute that it was a unique attack and that the wounds are still very raw in the US.
itsrobert
Founding member
archiveTV posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
itsrobert posted:
Name another incident where two large passenger planes were flown directly into two skyscrapers, then.
No Rob I won't. The point I am making is that terrorist atrocities are not new. The nature of them may change, but the net result of destruction and death are the same.
I'll bet that Bali and Madrid looked just as spectacular when they were blown to pieces - they just had less cameras pointing at them.
Maybe you are too young to remember what damage IRA bombs did?
But this is the whole thing I find objectionable - somehow it is "different" when it happens to America.
Well it isn't.
IRA bombs killed very few people. The Bali bombs, which came after 9/11, killed 202. The Madrid bombs killed 191
The attrocities of 9/11 killed 2986. They were in a league of their own
Exactly my point. And, Gavin, I do remember the IRA bombs. I was in Warrington the day it went off, and I'd been in Manchester hours before the bomb went off there. They killed nowhere near the number of people the attacks on 9/11 did. You might believe that the Americans brought it on themselves, but you can't dispute that it was a unique attack and that the wounds are still very raw in the US.
GS
That will come as little comfort to the families of those who perished.
In any event, if you really want to tally bodycounts of dead innocents, I suggest you browse here:
Iraqbodycount.net
Gavin Scott
Founding member
archiveTV posted:
IRA bombs killed very few people.
That will come as little comfort to the families of those who perished.
In any event, if you really want to tally bodycounts of dead innocents, I suggest you browse here:
Iraqbodycount.net