How is STV News perceived in Scotland compared to the BBC? I watched the STV independence referendum results show, simulcast on ITV and though it included input from ITN overall the STV presentation was incredibly dull and cheap. The sooner ITV buys STV the better IMO.
There always one and if that what you basing you views on you need to try again.
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The STV show was DIRE like somethng from the 50's...
How is STV News perceived in Scotland compared to the BBC? I watched the STV independence referendum results show, simulcast on ITV and though it included input from ITN overall the STV presentation was incredibly dull and cheap. The sooner ITV buys STV the better IMO.
If the Scottish Referendum debates were anything to go by, STV is a revelation in comparison to BBC Scotland.
Instead of dismissing this, how about turning this into an idea that already happens overseas, but has never happened here. Make the "Six" into a combined national/regional news programme, hosted from the regions themselves. If the BBC really wanted to be distinctive, they'd do the same to the 10 as well. That would really put the wind up ITV.
I don't see how that would be favourable? It would cost a lot of money and you couldn't have correspondents live from location.
Actually right now, there would be no difference in cost, as studios and galleries are run and manned from 6pm to 7pm anyway, with all the regional headline blocks in the 6 anyway. So, additional cost is not a factor.
You are right about correspondents, but for the 6 and the 10, they don't need to be live on location. Spend a week or more going through major bulletins on every channel, and see just how many of those live links couldn't be done any other way. You won't find many, if any at all. Most of the time these days, they're live because they can be, and there's no actual benefit to being live on location.
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There are also a lot of people who are interested in national/international news but not regional and vice versa. I think it would actually see ITV's ratings improve.
Says who? People want the news that's most relevant to them, and more often than not, that's local news. Some national and international news stories will also make the cut but predominantly, people want local news more than national and international news.
If you need proof of this, then just take a listen to news bulletins on local radio. Mostly, they will lead with local stories, with national and international stories mixed in. Look at the 7pm bulletins of the ABC in Australia, and the 6pm bulletins on Seven & Nine. Look at Canada's CTV and Global, both of which have just one daily national bulletin, at 11pm for CTV and 5.30pm for Global, and every other news bulletin on those stations is local. Overwhelmingly, where this happens, the news is predominantly local.
Yet in this country, on TV at least, we have predominantly national news, with little in the way of local news programming. The BBC would be giving ITV a severe kick up the backside, if they decided to do 6pm and 10pm Newshours as mixed local, national and international news, presented from the regions. It might also have the added benefit of making the BBC look less London-centric. You'd still have London based news on the BBC News Channel, and Breakfast and the One on BBC One would still be national, with local opt-outs. But making the 6 and 10 be presented from the regions would be something that would truly make BBC's coverage even more distinctive than it already is.
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You are right about correspondents, but for the 6 and the 10, they don't need to be live on location. Spend a week or more going through major bulletins on every channel, and see just how many of those live links couldn't be done any other way. You won't find many, if any at all. Most of the time these days, they're live because they can be, and there's no actual benefit to being live on location.
Because of the limited resources STV has, its more cost effective to have Live reports, especial when your dealing with fast changing on going news,
* Lockdown in kirkcaldy due to the Bank Robbery
* live response to Horyrood.
* Stabbing in Aberdeen.
STV dont have the money to send someone out get the information and then send it back to someone else to created a report. This means BBC Scotland could do the same.....
It really fills me with despair that the Scottish Six idea is being raised again. It won't appease the nationalists as they just constantly complain about BBC bias. I've not met a single person who has a positive thing to say about Scotland 2015 and I for one am fed up with programmes including Newsnight being shuffled into the early hours. IMO if they're desperate in BBC Partick for a longer news programme let them opt out of BBC Two at 5.15pm every night so all we miss is whatever variation on antiques is being broadcast. Obviously this would be problematic in the Wimbledon weeks but they could have a short summer break. Or broadcast a Scottish news programme on BBC Parliament every night.
It might make sense for domestic stories but it makes no sense at all when international stories dominate. How would they handle events like the last few days - try and do something themselves or just revert to simulcasting the network bulletin.
Actually right now, there would be no difference in cost, as studios and galleries are run and manned from 6pm to 7pm anyway, with all the regional headline blocks in the 6 anyway. So, additional cost is not a factor.
But there's more to producing television than the cost of studios and crew. If you were producing a Scottish Six as well as Rep Scot, or an hour long combined show, that would surely not be cost neutral. You'd need more production journalists for the combined output, and if you were producing your own "Scottish angle on UK stories" packages instead of trying to turn around London packages, you'd need even more still.
If the Scottish Six did run "London" packages it would inevitably be a 5 hours late Scottish One as the London packages wouldn't get to them in time. It's still routine for the Six to take packages as live play-ins from the edit suites as they don't have time to deliver to the transmission servers (particularly on breaking news which is arguably the most important), which would mean that network packages that ran on the 'London Six" wouldn't get to Scotland before their transmission on the "London" Six. That would make building a running order fun...
The only real way it would work is if Scotland did their own thing entirely. Which would bring up the duplication issue... Again...
Or it might feasibly work if they did a half-hour national news first then did a Scottish Six Thirty (as they'd be able to turn round network packages by then)
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I think the easiest option would be to essentially extend Reporting Scotland to an hour bulletin, with at least 15 minutes of national & international news. Any live interviews on national/international items could be done in the second half of the programme, so wouldn't clash with the main national news (and their live interviews).
I don't think having a standalone programme on BBC2 is a practical or cost-effective option. Worth noting a similar programme as such already exists in the form of 'Scotland 2015' which is on at 10:30pm (with Newsnight being shifted to 11pm). Also if Scotland was given it's own 'Scottish Six' you could almost guarantee the Welsh would then demand their own 'Welsh Six'.
Let's have a Yorkshire Six and a Midlands Six, and Eastern counties Six - all of these areas have similar population to that of Scotland.
I guess each region doing a full hour could work along the same lines as how local radio combines national material from GNS with their own stuff.
I think the easiest option would be to essentially extend Reporting Scotland to an hour bulletin, with at least 15 minutes of national & international news. Any live interviews on national/international items could be done in the second half of the programme, so wouldn't clash with the main national news (and their live interviews).
I don't think having a standalone programme on BBC2 is a practical or cost-effective option. Worth noting a similar programme as such already exists in the form of 'Scotland 2015' which is on at 10:30pm (with Newsnight being shifted to 11pm). Also if Scotland was given it's own 'Scottish Six' you could almost guarantee the Welsh would then demand their own 'Welsh Six'.
Let's have a Yorkshire Six and a Midlands Six, and Eastern counties Six - all of these areas have similar population to that of Scotland.
I guess each region doing a full hour could work along the same lines as how local radio combines national material from GNS with their own stuff.
I think TVS before taking over Southern's franchise had a plan to have a news hour produced and presented by them, using cuts from ITN, I think the IBA said no. All that happened in the first few months was Coast To Coast ran 17:30 to 18:30, with the ITN News at 5:45 sandwiched in the middle.
The larger ILR radio stations adopted the principle very successfully during the 70s and 80s though
Grampian used to do an hour on Monday and sometimes Friday in the eighties - not sure how much could be classed as " hard news " though by today's standards.