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Ghost Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
If you think that YouTube video is "chilling" with all the different stations airing the same but localised copy

I wouldn’t call it localised, the only differences between each station is changing place names, station names and anchor names at the start, with the actual story about media bias being the same on every station. It’s no different to ITV regional news having a shared copy about a new drama and a presenter saying before it that one of the actors in it comes from a place in their region to try and make it sound vaguely local, and have the actual story be the same in every region.
Last edited by Ghost on 29 October 2020 10:45am
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Fluffy Bunny Feet
I agree with a great deal of what you said, but I'd like to point out that local bulletins are NOT necessarily impartial.

The largest affiliate group, Sinclair, regularly airs must-run right wing opinion segments and anti-vaccine content. Here's a pretty chilling example of how this plays out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo


If you think that YouTube video is "chilling" with all the different stations airing the same but localised copy, I would hate for you to see the ITV regional news shared content or listen to a BBC local radio breakfast/drive shows shared political copy. You'd be frozen.

The Sinclair stuff is bland right-ish stories becouse they think it's a market gap to appeal to their audience. As for the vaxx stuff, it's consumer champion type news that used to be uncontroversial.

If a UK broadcaster ran a story that the last 'rushed' vax for a Corona ended up causing serious disability in around 1 in 44,000 recipients and the senior guy at the big Pharma company is now a senior government advisor now pushing for another fast tracked corona jab would that make them a right wing conspiracy peddler?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/boy-wins-120000-damages-narcolepsy-swine-flu-vaccine-glaxosmithkline

But you won't see that on Sky News et Al as part of context for why many scientists are cautious over safety protocols.

It's a good rule of thumb that's its worth checking your own bias before seeing it everywhere else.


I thinks you're missing the point. Local ITV and BBC's shared material is never of a political nature. Certainly Covid stories abound at the moment but I can't recall any shared reports around an election time. For a biased station like Fox will usually appeal to their regular viewers. Question though: if this was RT or CGTN what would think then?
Last edited by Fluffy Bunny Feet on 29 October 2020 3:29pm
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TheSebastian
I agree with a great deal of what you said, but I'd like to point out that local bulletins are NOT necessarily impartial.

The largest affiliate group, Sinclair, regularly airs must-run right wing opinion segments and anti-vaccine content. Here's a pretty chilling example of how this plays out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo


If you think that YouTube video is "chilling" with all the different stations airing the same but localised copy, I would hate for you to see the ITV regional news shared content or listen to a BBC local radio breakfast/drive shows shared political copy. You'd be frozen.

The Sinclair stuff is bland right-ish stories becouse they think it's a market gap to appeal to their audience. As for the vaxx stuff, it's consumer champion type news that used to be uncontroversial.

If a UK broadcaster ran a story that the last 'rushed' vax for a Corona ended up causing serious disability in around 1 in 44,000 recipients and the senior guy at the big Pharma company is now a senior government advisor now pushing for another fast tracked corona jab would that make them a right wing conspiracy peddler?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/boy-wins-120000-damages-narcolepsy-swine-flu-vaccine-glaxosmithkline

But you won't see that on Sky News et Al as part of context for why many scientists are cautious over safety protocols.

It's a good rule of thumb that's its worth checking your own bias before seeing it everywhere else.


I thinks you're missing the point. Local ITV and BBC's shared material is never of a political nature. Certainly Covid stories abound at the moment but I can't recall any shared reports around an election time. For a biased station like Fox will usually appeal to their regular viewers. Question though: if this was RT or CGTN what would think then?


If you watch the YouTube linked in the post I replied to that was apparently 'chilling' you will see that the 'chilling' thing is apparently lots of stations saying the same thing in different areas - it was a promotion brag about there group news values. The 'chilling' YouTube didn't deal with any of the topics, it was just 'chilling' becouse it happened, apparently.

I simply point out that this basic use of content happens worldwide, so doesn't justify 'chilling' description.

Did you not look at the video we're talking about? Or did you miss the point yourself?

As for sharing content in the UK, BBC Local radio was using alot of shared content, pre covid, on political topics. The point is that its both common and acceptable practise and not a 'chilling' tool of owners enforcing a bias - which is what it was held up to be.
CI
cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight
Fox affiliates and Sinclair owned stations, are two examples of a Conservative bias infecting local news. You have to be careful who you trust when it comes to local news.


When did you last watch a Fox owned affiliate? They're NOTHING like Fox News. There's zero Conservative bias in their reporting of the election. It's like watching NBC News over MSNBC.

Fox owned affiliates tend to want to compete on a equal level editorially with the other non-biased stations in their local markets, rather than be a satellite feed of propaganda like FNC.

There's your factual error for someone who claims to watch a shed load of US media in deepest Cornwall.


I keep an eye on several Fox affiliates and local stations, watching various reports and programmes from time to time. Several years ago, when he was still at Fox, Roger Ailes was appointed to lead the local stations group, whilst still being the head of Fox News Channel and ever since then, Fox News Channel has supplied the local Fox affiliates with stories and occasionally reports as well. Fox News Channel would also provide breaking news coverage as well. The bias was clear there. Also, many local Fox stations do take a more Conservative slant on news selection, it's not as severe as Fox News Channel, but again, it does move the needle.

Also, you don't help your case by talking about "deepest Cornwall" like it's in some forgotten part of Africa. Cornwall is not a backwater, despite what some on the right would like it to be.
CI
cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight


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The point still stands that Fox and MSNBC are still the worst for each party while with the exception of HLN, the cable 'news' channels are far from impartial and have taken sides with either Trump or the Dems, which makes America particularly bad for impartial tv news sources, so you end up with a polarised audience who isn't getting accurate information, instead relying on Fox or MSNBC for biased news depending on where you stand.


Except that cable news is the least watched of all the television news output. More people watch the PBS Newshour every day, than watch most hours of cable news. The three main network news bulletins are watched by over 21 million people each week. Cable news can't even dream of such figures. When it comes to TV news, cable news is much lower down the totem pole than you think.

Agree that network numbers often get overlooked in all the chat around these channels, but
PBS Newshour only does around 1m. Cable news does much more. The “news” channels are now outrating general ents & sports channels in overall cable rankings. Increasingly, cable networks are doing better than network during simulcasted events. It will be interesting to see how the election does in the ratings.


At the moment, cable news is doing very high numbers due to the election, but across the years, most hours of cable news, the ones outside of primetime, struggle to beat the PBS Newshour. And PBS Newshour has been growing lately as well, both on TV and online. The full episodes on YouTube are seen by an average of over 100k viewers, and the two presidential debates streamed on their YouTube channel both got over 1 million views. Plus, take into account the fact that every PBS station has their own on demand service as well, where you can watch the PBS Newshour, and dare I suggest the live figure of just over a million is actually under-representing their audience right now.
CI
cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight

If you think that YouTube video is "chilling" with all the different stations airing the same but localised copy, I would hate for you to see the ITV regional news shared content or listen to a BBC local radio breakfast/drive shows shared political copy. You'd be frozen.

The Sinclair stuff is bland right-ish stories becouse they think it's a market gap to appeal to their audience. As for the vaxx stuff, it's consumer champion type news that used to be uncontroversial.

If a UK broadcaster ran a story that the last 'rushed' vax for a Corona ended up causing serious disability in around 1 in 44,000 recipients and the senior guy at the big Pharma company is now a senior government advisor now pushing for another fast tracked corona jab would that make them a right wing conspiracy peddler?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/boy-wins-120000-damages-narcolepsy-swine-flu-vaccine-glaxosmithkline

But you won't see that on Sky News et Al as part of context for why many scientists are cautious over safety protocols.

It's a good rule of thumb that's its worth checking your own bias before seeing it everywhere else.


I thinks you're missing the point. Local ITV and BBC's shared material is never of a political nature. Certainly Covid stories abound at the moment but I can't recall any shared reports around an election time. For a biased station like Fox will usually appeal to their regular viewers. Question though: if this was RT or CGTN what would think then?


If you watch the YouTube linked in the post I replied to that was apparently 'chilling' you will see that the 'chilling' thing is apparently lots of stations saying the same thing in different areas - it was a promotion brag about there group news values. The 'chilling' YouTube didn't deal with any of the topics, it was just 'chilling' becouse it happened, apparently.

I simply point out that this basic use of content happens worldwide, so doesn't justify 'chilling' description.

Did you not look at the video we're talking about? Or did you miss the point yourself?

As for sharing content in the UK, BBC Local radio was using alot of shared content, pre covid, on political topics. The point is that its both common and acceptable practise and not a 'chilling' tool of owners enforcing a bias - which is what it was held up to be.


Then you're missing the point.

The "chilling" aspect of that, was that it was a centrally mandated promo, one that tried to present other news organisations as purveyors of fake news, and themselves as one of the few truely unbiased news sources. I saw this when it happened, it angered me then, it still angers me now, to think that Sinclair are very much going down the Fox News route, but trying to pretend to be a trusted news source, when their own reputation is less than trusted.
LL
London Lite Founding member London London
Fox affiliates and Sinclair owned stations, are two examples of a Conservative bias infecting local news. You have to be careful who you trust when it comes to local news.


When did you last watch a Fox owned affiliate? They're NOTHING like Fox News. There's zero Conservative bias in their reporting of the election. It's like watching NBC News over MSNBC.

Fox owned affiliates tend to want to compete on a equal level editorially with the other non-biased stations in their local markets, rather than be a satellite feed of propaganda like FNC.

There's your factual error for someone who claims to watch a shed load of US media in deepest Cornwall.


I keep an eye on several Fox affiliates and local stations, watching various reports and programmes from time to time. Several years ago, when he was still at Fox, Roger Ailes was appointed to lead the local stations group, whilst still being the head of Fox News Channel and ever since then, Fox News Channel has supplied the local Fox affiliates with stories and occasionally reports as well. Fox News Channel would also provide breaking news coverage as well. The bias was clear there. Also, many local Fox stations do take a more Conservative slant on news selection, it's not as severe as Fox News Channel, but again, it does move the needle.

Also, you don't help your case by talking about "deepest Cornwall" like it's in some forgotten part of Africa. Cornwall is not a backwater, despite what some on the right would like it to be.


You'll find I'm not on the right or the left. Considering you couldn't even programme a community radio show, filling it with James Bond, I find it hard to take your monitoring with a pinch of salt.
CI
cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight

When did you last watch a Fox owned affiliate? They're NOTHING like Fox News. There's zero Conservative bias in their reporting of the election. It's like watching NBC News over MSNBC.

Fox owned affiliates tend to want to compete on a equal level editorially with the other non-biased stations in their local markets, rather than be a satellite feed of propaganda like FNC.

There's your factual error for someone who claims to watch a shed load of US media in deepest Cornwall.


I keep an eye on several Fox affiliates and local stations, watching various reports and programmes from time to time. Several years ago, when he was still at Fox, Roger Ailes was appointed to lead the local stations group, whilst still being the head of Fox News Channel and ever since then, Fox News Channel has supplied the local Fox affiliates with stories and occasionally reports as well. Fox News Channel would also provide breaking news coverage as well. The bias was clear there. Also, many local Fox stations do take a more Conservative slant on news selection, it's not as severe as Fox News Channel, but again, it does move the needle.

Also, you don't help your case by talking about "deepest Cornwall" like it's in some forgotten part of Africa. Cornwall is not a backwater, despite what some on the right would like it to be.


You'll find I'm not on the right or the left. Considering you couldn't even programme a community radio show, filling it with James Bond, I find it hard to take your monitoring with a pinch of salt.


You really seem to hate the idea that someone could do a topical radio show, and do a couple of programmes to build up to the release of a new James Bond film. I dunno why you're so obsessed over those shows, community radio is as much about doing something that more mainstream stations wouldn't do, as it is about serving the community. But just for you, I'm planning another James Bond special when No Time To Die is finally released, probably in about 2030 given the current state of the global fubar...

Also, I didn't say you were on the right. Look again, at what I said.

Oh, and maybe you should try a pinch of sugar, if you're finding it hard to take with a pinch of salt.
LL
London Lite Founding member London London

I keep an eye on several Fox affiliates and local stations, watching various reports and programmes from time to time. Several years ago, when he was still at Fox, Roger Ailes was appointed to lead the local stations group, whilst still being the head of Fox News Channel and ever since then, Fox News Channel has supplied the local Fox affiliates with stories and occasionally reports as well. Fox News Channel would also provide breaking news coverage as well. The bias was clear there. Also, many local Fox stations do take a more Conservative slant on news selection, it's not as severe as Fox News Channel, but again, it does move the needle.

Also, you don't help your case by talking about "deepest Cornwall" like it's in some forgotten part of Africa. Cornwall is not a backwater, despite what some on the right would like it to be.


You'll find I'm not on the right or the left. Considering you couldn't even programme a community radio show, filling it with James Bond, I find it hard to take your monitoring with a pinch of salt.


You really seem to hate the idea that someone could do a topical radio show, and do a couple of programmes to build up to the release of a new James Bond film. I dunno why you're so obsessed over those shows, community radio is as much about doing something that more mainstream stations wouldn't do, as it is about serving the community. But just for you, I'm planning another James Bond special when No Time To Die is finally released, probably in about 2030 given the current state of the global fubar...


I can't wait.

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