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davidhorman Channel Channel Islands

The way to look at Fox News currently is that it's nothing more than the American version of RT, presenting a viewpoint of news from the pro-Trump bubble.


And yet it's Chris Wallace at Fox News who's come closest to making Trump look like an idiot on TV - though that's presumably because he won't be interviewed by any other broadcaster now.

I think I heard recently the Murdochs have been making big donations to the Democrats so it sounds like they're hedging their bets, at the very least.
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cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight
Fox News is pretty much done for at this point. This is just another nail in the coffin that is Fox News Channel, and laterly, right wing extremist media in general, as they are struggling for relevance anymore, despite Fox News having the ratings on their side right now. But we all know that viewers can be fickle creatures, and I get the feeling that as these allegations will take down Tucker & Sean, the lack of star names being available to replace them, means that viewers will leave Fox News.

I'm not so sure, the way things are going they could be glad to have an excuse to get rid of Hannity who is so closely connected with the current president.


That could be true to a certain extent, the toxicness of Hannity's own brand right now can't be underestimated, particularly after turning himself into a Trumper, but Fox News realise that they don't have a star name right now ready to take over that slot, and they will lose viewers if they choose to fire Hannity. Same for Tucker Carlson, though practically worse already, because he was a downgrade from Bill O'Reilly, and if they have to get rid of him too, again they haven't really got any star names they can put there right now.

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There is a sense that Fox is doing what Murdoch does over here and starting to distance itself from the candidate who is increasingly toxic. He never likes being associated with a loser. Chris Wallaces' interview at the weekend could be a turning point.


Chris Wallace has actually taken Trump apart multiple times before, even in direct interviews, He was a never Trumper along with Shepard Smith when he was at Fox. It'll take a lot more than that interview to convince me that Fox is moving away from Trump.


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Whatever happens its not the end of Fox News, should Biden get in it will just do what it did in 2000 and reinvent itself as an opposition to the government. Should there be investigations into Trump and everything dragged through the mud there they'll report it with relish, and either drop him in it or treat it as a massive conspiracy


I think you mean 2008, when Obama got elected, as 2000 was when Republican George W Bush was elected. There's a world of difference though between 2008, and 2020 right now, and without massive change and upheaval at Fox News, it's days of dominating the ratings may well be coming to an end.
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Inspector Sands


I think you mean 2008, when Obama got elected, as 2000 was when Republican George W Bush was elected.

Doh yes of course. In my head it's a lot closer to 2000 than it is!

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There's a world of difference though between 2008, and 2020 right now, and without massive change and upheaval at Fox News, it's days of dominating the ratings may well be coming to an end.

Fox is in trouble in terms of ratings long term anyway, they've an aging audience profile. The current situation isn't going to help, not least because their mainly elderly audience were told for ages that Coronavirus was a hoax, not only were they potentially killing off their viewers but they were risking losing their trust
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Inspector Sands

And yet it's Chris Wallace at Fox News who's come closest to making Trump look like an idiot on TV - though that's presumably because he won't be interviewed by any other broadcaster now.

It's not his favourite broadcaster any more, or at least so he says. There's another, smaller more right wing news channel that he prefers.

He seems to still watch Fox though...

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I think I heard recently the Murdochs have been making big donations to the Democrats so it sounds like they're hedging their bets, at the very least.

As I say it's a bit of a myth that Murdochs outlets always follow the same 'side', once they look like their horse isn't flavour of the month they soon court the other - they don't want to be associated with a loser. It happened in 1997 when they abandoned support for John Major in favour of Tony Blair
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ginnyfan World News
Don't see this doing much tbh. FOX is not crazy to take down its whole line-up so easily. Anyway, if there are any unexpected opennings, I can see Megyn Kelly making a comeback. She has been quite active on Twitter recently and seems to have gone back to her more conservative roots. Would fit nicely into this new, more PC, but still conservative Fox News.

BTW, lets not forgett that CNN's headline seeker Don Lemon is also currently accused of sexual asault but of course we don't hear much about that.....
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Inspector Sands

BTW, lets not forgett that CNN's headline seeker Don Lemon is also currently accused of sexual asault but of course we don't hear much about that.....

Why 'of course'?
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Jonwo

Fox is in trouble in terms of ratings long term anyway, they've an aging audience profile. The current situation isn't going to help, not least because their mainly elderly audience were told for ages that Coronavirus was a hoax, not only were they potentially killing off their viewers but they were risking losing their trust


I think Fox News needs someone who is willing to shake things up but I'm not sure how they can do it without short term pain.
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Shaun Linden Central Reporting Scotland
Fox News' actual news output isn't that bad, and has always been relatively good. Fox deliberately don't want two distinctions between news and opinion-led shows but make that exact claim when criticisms come in.
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cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight
Fox News' actual news output isn't that bad, and has always been relatively good. Fox deliberately don't want two distinctions between news and opinion-led shows but make that exact claim when criticisms come in.


Depends how you define "isn't that bad". Is it professional? Is it at least decently written? Does it present itself visually in a way that parallels other news broadcasters? Yes, to all of those. On a technical level, it's as well done as any mainstream broadcaster. That's not where it's problems lie. It's problems lie in the substance of the actual content itself, rather than the technical stuff. It's very much propaganda, and it doesn't stand up to even the simplest of fact checking. And the thing is, Fox actually used to be very good at doing actual news, especially when they did police chases. They were excellent at that kind of coverage. Now, they've left any pretense of covering actual news so far behind, that it genuinely boggles the mind how far they've fallen. If they went back to their old tabloid style news coverage, it would actually gain them some credibility back on a general level. But without a wholesale, top to bottom reworking of the whole organisation, I don't see that happening.
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Omnipresent London London
This will all come to a head at some point.

Like James Murdoch at News International when large settlements were being paid for alleged phone hacking, Lachlan Murdoch is ostensibly in charge of Fox, but does not seem interested in what is happening on the ground.

It's obvious that something is up with Sean Hannity's relentless cheerleading of Trump. When Hannity was revealed in court as Michael Cohen's other client, I'm amazed no-one at Fox seemed to have demanded an explanation of what was going on between the three of them.
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Mouseboy33
Well I dont think Lachlan is as hands off as we think. After Tucker made his "immigrants make America dirtier" statement...Lachlan was there offering support.
NYT Mag: Fox chief Lachlan Murdoch texted support to Tucker Carlson after host's anti-immigration comments
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/03/media/lachlan-murdoch-tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
Report: Tucker Carlson got support from Murdoch heir after saying immigration made U.S. ‘dirtier’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/03/report-tucker-carlson-got-support-murdoch-heir-after-saying-immigration-made-us-dirtier/

And with the latest writer scandal, Lachlan was again to offer Tucker support and apparently he personally approved Tuckers tepid rebuttal.
Tucker Carlson’s chief writer resigns over racist and sexist posts, the latest trouble for Fox’s most controversial star
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tucker-carlsons-writer-resigns-over-racist-and-sexist-posts-the-latest-trouble-for-foxs-most-controversial-star/2020/07/11/2a50dbba-c394-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html

And the CNN and MSNBC ratings arent that horrifying as FNC would have you believe. CNN or MSNBC often takes the Demo column. This was this past weekends numbers.
Saturday, July 18 Scoreboard: Fox News Takes Prime Time, CNN Wins Total Day in Demo
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/saturday-july-18-scoreboard-fox-news-takes-prime-time-cnn-wins-total-day-in-demo/448967/
Sunday, July 19 Scoreboard: Fox News and CNN Split the 10 p.m. Hour
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/sunday-july-19-scoreboard-fox-news-and-cnn-split-the-10-p-m-hour/448969/
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Rkolsen World News
Well I dont think Lachlan is as hands off as we think. After Tucker made his "immigrants make America dirtier" statement...Lachlan was there offering support.
NYT Mag: Fox chief Lachlan Murdoch texted support to Tucker Carlson after host's anti-immigration comments
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/03/media/lachlan-murdoch-tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
Report: Tucker Carlson got support from Murdoch heir after saying immigration made U.S. ‘dirtier’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/03/report-tucker-carlson-got-support-murdoch-heir-after-saying-immigration-made-us-dirtier/

And with the latest writer scandal, Lachlan was again to offer Tucker support and apparently he personally approved Tuckers tepid rebuttal.
Tucker Carlson’s chief writer resigns over racist and sexist posts, the latest trouble for Fox’s most controversial star
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tucker-carlsons-writer-resigns-over-racist-and-sexist-posts-the-latest-trouble-for-foxs-most-controversial-star/2020/07/11/2a50dbba-c394-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html


Its ironic that this is coming from an immigrant to the US.
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